Re: Madeleine McCann: British police to observe questioning in Portugal - BBC 9/12/14

chirpyinsect Fri 12 Dec 2014, 11:08 am

Russian Doll wrote: As usual with the boringly predictable TB, words have been taken out of context and then twisted to suit an agenda. The Vogue feature was about multiple female detectives and was written to portray the reality of their lives at and away from work against a backdrop of fantastic European crime dramas and how the female leads were written.

This was in Vogue re DCI Wall who was one of multiple women interviewed about their jobs and lives outside work and who all wanted to look smart for work and enjoyed their femininity :

" As plainclothes officers, the detectives are united in their determination to look good. Wall especially enjoys playing with her femininity, if only to shake up the stuffier factions of the Met that still exist. "[b]I usually wear a heel, and I always paint my nails," she says with a toss of her well-groomed head. "They usually brighten a day."

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So glamour was a word used by Bennett, about a woman who along with many appears to want simply to wear the equivalent of her male colleagues' suits and ties. The recent photos of her show her as smartly -dressed and well-groomed. So what? Bennett's words were sexist and used in a derogatory manner.

A heel worn by many working women, who see flats worn with a smart suit or skirt and separate top as a fashion no-no because it looks wrong. Simple as that.
She has well-groomed hair, as do many women at their workplace, and something most men and women have if they take a pride in their appearance.
She paints her nails. Many women see this as the finishing touches to their grooming.
Nowhere doe she say that she dresses to impress men. She says clearly why she dresses the way she does.

She probably is surrounded by grey. Men is suits, an office which whether drab or not probably had a drab view over London. Add to that the grey skies typical of the UK her nails probably are a bright touch at work.

Thank God she never mentioned her lip gloss, Tony would have had a field day with that.
What an ignorant, nasty piece of work he is.

I used to work in a mainly male environment with a large insurance company and had to attend a training course held over 8 weeks Monday to Friday. At the time I was a single parent to 2 young girls and was trying to improve our financial situation. I could not afford the snazzy suits sported by my male counterparts who were all much younger than I so did my best with what resources I had. To my utter astonishment I overheard two of the lecturers (male) discussing my dress sense in not very nice terms. I was devastated. In fact one of them even made a supposedly jokey comment on my assessment to the tune of bright candidate, shame about the suits.
I thoroughly enjoyed the presentation ceremony for the top student when I appeared in a fabulous dress, gussied up to the eyeballs and accepted my award. Never judge a book by its cover.

Andrew Fri 12 Dec 2014, 11:15 am

Blimey - as it was mentioned that HWMBO has piped up again, I had a quick look in.

That guy writes some absolute tosh.

If that doesn't prove that he has an alliance and an agenda with TM then god knows what.

Guest Fri 12 Dec 2014, 11:25 am

There was me thinking its all about the disappearance of a child not how some policewoman, a DCI at that, looks.

Guest Fri 12 Dec 2014, 11:32 am

Just a reminder of something simple. DCI Wall did not say she painted her nails to impress people. Bennett confined this to men,which was sexist.
It was also a lie. Her motive was rather the opposite with the shake things up reference. He has QUOTED her and used words she did not use in that interview. It is defamatory in the context TB was using the interview. His motive was to demean her work and also because he has called the Grange investigation corrupt, he is libelling her now along with BHH and Redwood.

We now have her face being criticised because she does not show her many years of experience in the force on it. Botox and filler the reasons for this according to one member over there.
Criticised by another for wearing her hair loose on arrival at Faro police headquarters.
The blonde gets a mention of course, also.

Why aren't more leaving that place?

Andrew Fri 12 Dec 2014, 11:36 am

That place is an absolute joke and a disgrace RD.

Just my opinion of course.

Scrants Fri 12 Dec 2014, 11:40 am

Cristobell wrote:
chirpyinsect wrote:Elsewhere there has been the most disgraceful sexist rant about the new DCI which has left me completely stunned. WTF is he on? He rubbishes her career by saying she has only reached the lowly position of DCI after 25 years. That`s probably because she has had to punch her way through the glass ceiling which was installed and maintained by the mysoginist organisation she belongs to, fighting for her job in a world populated by men who deem a funny handshake as a qualification for promotion.
Interestingly, whilst not believing in the motives of DCI Redwood he says nothing about his retiral next week after achieving the position of....what was it again?, oh yes DCI.
This is yet another opportunity for this odious little man to promote his dying theory that the Smiths made up their sighting.
Come and see me Mr B. If you could handle a discussion without the ability to ban me I doubt you would last 5 minutes.

My blood is boiling alongside yours chirpyinsect Tony's reference to 'painting nails for the men' reveals so much about his attitude to women, and indeed the 21st century. It also reveals that his theories are growing closer and closer to those of Team McCann - they are united on Smithman, and now it seems they are united on criticising Scotland Yard. I can't help wondering what the old rogue is up to and why he is so insistent on discrediting the Smith family.

He is a man of strong religious beliefs, that include creationism, and he has a fixation on the weird sexual practices of other people, a fixation shared by lots of religious zealots and wannabe saviours of our morals and our children. I don't want to focus on their sex lives, I haven't yet had my breakfast, but they seem to believe there are legions of devils among the rest of us having roman orgies in our bedrooms. They believe they have given 'all of this up' to follow the divine path, and are therefore superior and have earned the right to stand in judgement. It matters not that other peoples' sex lives are probably just as dull as their own, and what is actually driving them is the product of their own (very disturbed) imagination, logic has long been discarded.

Tony believes there is an international paedophile ring operating in PDL that runs through and up to the highest echelons of British society and he wants to be the Christian soldier who drives them out with his trusty sword. He cannot accept that Madeleine's disappearance could simply be the result of a tragic accident (or indeed murder) and opportunist parents. There must be paedophiles in there somewhere. On the 'paedophiles on every corner' front, he and Jim Gamble are singing from the same hymn sheet.

Robert Murat was selected as a patsy very early on. He was a single man, living with his mother and shock horror, he had a bit of porn on his computer. All the other stories about him, I won't repeat because they are so offensive, but Tony Bennett bought them hook line and sinker because it suited its own ideology and agenda. Here was someone he could hate even more than he hated the McCanns. When the true story of Robert Murat being made an arguido emerges it will be clear that he was 'fitted up' with the profile, the anonymous tip off, and the bizarre bestiality stories from childhood - obviously created by a big fan of Criminal Minds.

Today will be very interesting indeed. Tony Bennett will be jumping for joy if RM is made an arguido again, if he is, it will confirm a whitewash. If he isn't Tony will claim the whitewash continues. Whatever happens Tony will be right and whoever disagrees with him will be banned.

Well said Cristobel. I entirely agree.

dogs don't lie Fri 12 Dec 2014, 11:43 am

What is it with the two efits and the Smith family sighting? scratch

Dee Coy Fri 12 Dec 2014, 11:44 am

RD I quite agree. It was defamatory. He has misquoted her in such a way as to make it appear she was declaring the opposite of her intention - namely, she dresses in a way to suit her and to make herself feel good. As with anyone, male or female, she takes pride in her appearance. And that's it, really. To twist that sentiment to infer her sole intention is to impress men undermines all women who present themselves well. It could also suggest that that this is done coyly and with ambitious intentions. That is sexist and libelous, in my opinion.

But lol at PeterMac!

Dee Coy Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:00 pm

dogs don't lie wrote:What is it with the two efits and the Smith family sighting?

He claims they cannot possibly drawn up by the Smiths who only got a glimpse in the dark. Moreover, he believes them to be of two different men drawn up mischievously by others related to the case but not connected with Portugal.

However, in answer to one of his own FOI requests the Met confirmed the efits were indeed compiled by the Smiths. Kudos to him for posting this, although it is hidden on an unrelated thread. Despite this confirmation, he still continues to infer that the Met have not told the truth with respect to the efits' provenance.

Worryingly, Sky are now only showing one of the efits when they mention Smithman, the thinner faced one who looks more like Brunt than Gerry. In fact, if you cover the bottom half of the efits up, they are almost identical.

Madeleine McCann: British police to observe questioning in Portugal - BBC 9/12/14 - Page 5 Sus_1829619a

Madeleine McCann: British police to observe questioning in Portugal - BBC 9/12/14 - Page 5 Sus_1829619a

I believe the left one has a misshapen jaw because of the angle at which the witness viewed the man. I believe the 'gouge' in the jawline is because the child's head or hair obscured the true line. The witness has reproduced exactly what s/he saw of the man's face.

**candyfloss** Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:08 pm

This tweet just posted from ITV news reporter......

Rebecca Barry @BeccaBarry · 4m 4 minutes ago
Robert Murat is being questioned at Faro Police station #McCann

dogs don't lie Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:13 pm

Cheers Dee Coy, I myself believe the Smith family told the truth, very courageous of them.
I hope RM tells all if he hasn't already, but that's IF he knows anything at all.
What else can RM tell them... Get the lot back to portugal for a reconstruction! Repeat repeat repeat!
IMO

Dee Coy Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:29 pm

I wonder what Robert Murat's feelings are towards the McCanns 7 1/2 years later? Is he tied into protecting them in some way? Or is he free to be completely honest about what he may or may not know?

bluebell Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:34 pm

Does anyone know how the interviewing of the 11th witness will be conducted?

It has been mentioned that they are British, and in England. Will they be required to come to Portugal, or will the PJ have to go to England?

Surely SY can't interview them alone in England, can they?

Or have I got it all wrong, and all this present activity in Faro will be the end of the interviews?

Guest Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:37 pm

Some well written stuff in this thread. Thank you.

dogs don't lie Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:40 pm

Dee Coy wrote:I wonder what Robert Murat's feelings are towards the McCanns 7 1/2 years later? Is he tied into protecting them in some way? Or is he free to be completely honest about what he may or may not know?

If it was me, and I'd been through what he's had to endure, I suppose the only thing you could say is bring them back and try to determine if there was enough time for an abductor to strike, or a break in or a break in with accidental death and removal. Even typing this stuff is unreal, how could any one even try to manage any of it? However, if I knew something, I'd tell all because this will hang over his head and his family's head for life.
IMO

chirpyinsect Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:40 pm

bluebell wrote:Does anyone know how the interviewing of the 11th witness will be conducted?

It has been mentioned that they are British, and in England. Will they be required to come to Portugal, or will the PJ have to go to England?

Surely SY can't interview them alone in England, can they?

Or have I got it all wrong, and all this present activity in Faro will be the end of the interviews?

I read that the person (a woman) would be interviewed in UK. I had a punt that this was Christine Callan.

dogs don't lie Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:43 pm

chirpyinsect wrote:
bluebell wrote:Does anyone know how the interviewing of the 11th witness will be conducted?

It has been mentioned that they are British, and in England. Will they be required to come to Portugal, or will the PJ have to go to England?

Surely SY can't interview them alone in England, can they?

Or have I got it all wrong, and all this present activity in Faro will be the end of the interviews?

I read that the person (a woman) would be interviewed in UK. I had a punt that this was Christine Callan.

I'd have sworn I read the UK citizen would be interviewed in portugal, somewhere yesterday though, can't remember where...

Guest Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:47 pm

He rubbishes her career by saying she has only reached the lowly position of DCI after 25 years.

What dizzy heights has TB reached after 25 years?

PMR Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:53 pm

It's the Nick Nick nick ( sorry) name that has really annoyed me
Also re the career stalling do we know she wants to go further? She may want to stay as a DCI

bluebell Fri 12 Dec 2014, 12:56 pm

dogs don't lie wrote:
chirpyinsect wrote:
bluebell wrote:Does anyone know how the interviewing of the 11th witness will be conducted?

It has been mentioned that they are British, and in England. Will they be required to come to Portugal, or will the PJ have to go to England?

Surely SY can't interview them alone in England, can they?

Or have I got it all wrong, and all this present activity in Faro will be the end of the interviews?

I read that the person (a woman) would be interviewed in UK. I had a punt that this was Christine Callan.

I'd have sworn I read the UK citizen would be interviewed in portugal, somewhere yesterday though, can't remember where...

Well I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't know. ! Smile

Wasn't Christine Callan's name put forward by Blacksmith, or was it also in The D Mirror, I can't remember.

I asked because there are news reports (possibly incorrect) that today with RM finishes the interviews.

Guest Fri 12 Dec 2014, 1:10 pm

bluebell wrote:

I asked because there are news reports (possibly incorrect) that today with RM finishes the interviews.

Arrest's next then? or just this round of interviews finishing.

Dee Coy Fri 12 Dec 2014, 1:14 pm

PMR wrote:It's the Nick Nick nick ( sorry) name that has really annoyed me
Also re the career stalling do we know she wants to go further? She may want to stay as a DCI

I don't get the point about the career-stalling. The OG officer in charge is appointed as a DCI. As was Redwood. As would any other appointee if not Wall. Therefore the 'stalled-career' label would apply to any of them, surely. Is he suggesting that Wall's career has been less impressive than any other DCI in the force? What a nonsense.

Who knows what her ambitions are? There are only a few top jobs. Does that mean all below Chief Superintendent level are modest losers? Or just her?

chirpyinsect Fri 12 Dec 2014, 1:50 pm

bluebell wrote:
dogs don't lie wrote:
chirpyinsect wrote:
bluebell wrote:Does anyone know how the interviewing of the 11th witness will be conducted?

It has been mentioned that they are British, and in England. Will they be required to come to Portugal, or will the PJ have to go to England?

Surely SY can't interview them alone in England, can they?

Or have I got it all wrong, and all this present activity in Faro will be the end of the interviews?

I read that the person (a woman) would be interviewed in UK. I had a punt that this was Christine Callan.

I'd have sworn I read the UK citizen would be interviewed in portugal, somewhere yesterday though, can't remember where...

Well I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't know. !

Wasn't Christine Callan's name put forward by Blacksmith, or was it also in The D Mirror, I can't remember.

I asked because there are news reports (possibly incorrect) that today with RM finishes the interviews.

Apologies I must have misread something. This is from BBC News website today.

An 11th person, a woman who is currently in the UK, will also be questioned in Portugal at a later date.

seahorse Fri 12 Dec 2014, 1:54 pm

Did anyone watch the Christopher Jefferies dramatization? https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/the-lost-honour-of-christopher-jefferies/series-1/episode-2

The character that plays Louis Charalambous from Simons Muirhead and Burton ( http://www.smab.co.uk/people/employees/partner/louis-charalambous.aspx ) claimed that Dawn Murat was offered 200,000 Euros by a journalist to say that her ex-husband Robert Murat was a paedophile and had a secret chamber in his house. She rightfully declined the offer.

Shocking if true. I can't remember ever reading about this offer.

dogs don't lie Fri 12 Dec 2014, 4:30 pm

chirpyinsect wrote:
bluebell wrote:
dogs don't lie wrote:
chirpyinsect wrote:
bluebell wrote:Does anyone know how the interviewing of the 11th witness will be conducted?

It has been mentioned that they are British, and in England. Will they be required to come to Portugal, or will the PJ have to go to England?

Surely SY can't interview them alone in England, can they?

Or have I got it all wrong, and all this present activity in Faro will be the end of the interviews?

I read that the person (a woman) would be interviewed in UK. I had a punt that this was Christine Callan.

I'd have sworn I read the UK citizen would be interviewed in portugal, somewhere yesterday though, can't remember where...

Well I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't know. !

Wasn't Christine Callan's name put forward by Blacksmith, or was it also in The D Mirror, I can't remember.

I asked because there are news reports (possibly incorrect) that today with RM finishes the interviews.

Apologies I must have misread something. This is from BBC News website today.

An 11th person, a woman who is currently in the UK, will also be questioned in Portugal at a later date.

Thanks chirpyinsect, I'm still sane atm lol, I tried to find it for about an hour but gave up!

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