Madeleine McCann: British police to observe questioning in Portugal - BBC 9/12/14

bellisa wrote:Yes candyfloss, bluebell is right you and freedom are greatly appreciated.

Thank you bluebell and bellisa,

Seicento wrote:Next time I post, the actual words I typed might appear.

What happened Seicento? Not the first time I have lost a load of script but I know it is something I have done or not done. Sometimes if a pm comes in as you press send your post will disappear if you don't dismiss the pm first if that makes sense. I know to save the message if another message posts at the same time but didn't know about the pm thing.

chirpyinsect wrote:

Seicento wrote:Next time I post, the actual words I typed might appear.

What happened Seicento? Not the first time I have lost a load of script but I know it is something I have done or not done. Sometimes if a pm comes in as you press send your post will disappear if you don't dismiss the pm first if that makes sense. I know to save the message if another message posts at the same time but didn't know about the pm thing.

It happened to me this morning with the new Mirror thread, there is just an empty space where the post should have been. It is something to do with forumotion again I expect. I will try and check it out. Definitely some sort of glitch on their part.

candyfloss wrote:

chirpyinsect wrote:

Seicento wrote:Next time I post, the actual words I typed might appear.

What happened Seicento? Not the first time I have lost a load of script but I know it is something I have done or not done. Sometimes if a pm comes in as you press send your post will disappear if you don't dismiss the pm first if that makes sense. I know to save the message if another message posts at the same time but didn't know about the pm thing.

It happened to me this morning with the new Mirror thread, there is just an empty space where the post should have been.  It is something to do with forumotion again I expect.  I will try and check it out.  Definitely some sort of glitch on their part.

Here you go, from the actual forumotion help site, so we are not alone...

http://help.forumotion.com/t137376-posts-appear-empty?highlight=posts+vanished

Female Met officer taking over Madeleine McCann inquiry arrives in Portugal ahead of questioning of former suspect Robert Murat



DCI Nicola Wall walked into Faro Police Station on third day of interviews


She smiled at waiting reporters as she arrived but declined to say anything


Tomorrow former suspect Robert Murat, 41, will be quizzed as a witness




By Gerard Couzens for MailOnline

Published: 12:29, 11 December 2014  | Updated: 13:35, 11 December 2014


Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2869936/Female-Met-officer-taking-Madeleine-McCann-inquiry-arrives-Portugal-ahead-questioning-former-suspect-Robert-Murat.html






More pics plus video and story on above link.

Many posters on other forums are insisting on saying that it is a whitewash.
They have to preserve their prestige.
They have difficulties to accept that the Yard is serious.

paracetamol wrote:Many posters on other forums are insisting on saying that it is a whitewash.
They have to preserve their prestige.
They have difficulties to accept that the Yard is serious.

I don't like to be pessimistic,but 5 months short of 4 yrs,nigh on £10 million,just where is the investigation got to?

Reinterviewing some but not all it would seem.

paracetamol wrote:Many posters on other forums are insisting on saying that it is a whitewash.
They have to preserve their prestige.
They have difficulties to accept that the Yard is serious.

Tony is in a quandary, his own theory is being very publicly dismantled. Scotland Yard are focussing on Smithman, and Tony is showing what a misogynist old dinosaur he is by describing the new head of the investigation as Vogue featured glamour girl DCI 'I paint my nails to impress the men' Nicola Wall. Good grief, I am temporarily speechless!

If it was that good a whitewash, we would never even have heard of Madeleine McCann.

Resistor wrote:If it was that good a whitewash, we would never even have heard of Madeleine McCann.

Indeed. Whitewashes need to be discreet and involve as few people as possible. Operation Grange was launched with a fanfare using public money. No matter what verdict is reached by Scotland Yard, we know that the Portuguese are very public about their own investigations and at some stage, as before, they will release their own files on the current investigation.

Its all very well to shout whitewash, but how does that work exactly? Firstly, Scotland Yard have no jurisdiction over a crime that was committed in Portugal. If they find a 'patsy' how are they going to prosecute him? Will the Portuguese Attorney General brush aside all protocol and say go ahead?

If the purpose of Operation Grange is to whitewash the name and reputation of the McCanns, it has achieved the exact opposite. Last October's Crimewatch and release of the Smithman efits saw a huge rise in membership of 'anti' groups online. Digging in PDL in the vicinity of apartment 5A, doesn't steer suspicion away from the McCanns, it brings the crime right back to their doorstep, as does the theory that Madeleine may not have been alive when she left the apartment. If the aim of Operation Grange is whitewash, then they have made their task a zillion times harder by looking for a body so close to the McCanns' Portuguese 'domain'.

Elsewhere there has been the most disgraceful sexist rant about the new DCI which has left me completely stunned. WTF is he on? He rubbishes her career by saying she has only reached the lowly position of DCI after 25 years. That`s probably because she has had to punch her way through the glass ceiling which was installed and maintained by the mysoginist organisation she belongs to, fighting for her job in a world populated by men who deem a funny handshake as a qualification for promotion.
Interestingly, whilst not believing in the motives of DCI Redwood he says nothing about his retiral next week after achieving the position of....what was it again?, oh yes DCI.
This is yet another opportunity for this odious little man to promote his dying theory that the Smiths made up their sighting.
Come and see me Mr B. If you could handle a discussion without the ability to ban me I doubt you would last 5 minutes.

So Murat is in for questioning today,is this the end for these lines of enquiry,I mean who else is there? apart from the T9,unless they are next and it happens what conclusions can be drawn.

Cristobell wrote:

Resistor wrote:If it was that good a whitewash, we would never even have heard of Madeleine McCann.

Indeed.  Whitewashes need to be discreet and involve as few people as possible.  Operation Grange was launched with a fanfare using public money.  No matter what verdict is reached by Scotland Yard, we know that the Portuguese are very public about their own investigations and at some stage, as before, they will release their own files on the current investigation.  

Its all very well to shout whitewash, but how does that work exactly? Firstly, Scotland Yard have no jurisdiction over a crime that was committed in Portugal.  If they find a 'patsy' how are they going to prosecute him?  Will the Portuguese Attorney General brush aside all protocol and say go ahead?  

If the purpose of Operation Grange is to whitewash the name and reputation of the McCanns, it has achieved the exact opposite.  Last  October's Crimewatch and release of the Smithman efits saw a huge rise in membership of 'anti' groups online.  Digging in PDL in the vicinity of apartment 5A, doesn't steer suspicion away from the McCanns, it brings the crime right back to their doorstep, as does the theory that Madeleine may not have been alive when she left the apartment.  If the aim of Operation Grange is whitewash, then they have made their task a zillion times harder by looking for a body so close to the McCanns' Portuguese 'domain'.  

Precisely CB. And having the operation taken over by a homicide detective doesn't exactly scream of good news for the parents does it?
I am more than sure stuff has been uncovered during this investigation that some would prefer to hush up. That may well be why the whole shebang has taken so long but I do believe it is moving towards a conclusion which will not go down well in a certain village in Leicestershire.
The McCanns have an inflated sense of their own value and self worth which has been their undoing. If they are so arrogant to think they are of any import to TPTB they should think again.

Last time I looked in on 'the other place' - HWMBO was nowhere to be seen. Thought he might of been holed up in  a hellish lair somewhere.

Or been taking aside by SY for being an absolute buffoon with all his guff that he spouts.

Why does TB dislike Smithman as much as the McCanns.

They work together.

Hello Tony.

I wonder that too... but I really would not have thought TB the type to sell his soul...
Do you think Tony would have moved to Team Mc Cann or that he always was part of that team?

Helenmeg wrote:I wonder that too... but I really would not have thought TB the type to sell his soul...
Do you think Tony would have moved to Team Mc Cann or that he always was part of that team?

For financial reasons.

IMO.

I have not seen him around for a good while....

Helenmeg wrote:I have not seen him around for a good while....

Probably at Rothley towers having a crisis meeting or 2.

Helenmeg wrote:I have not seen him around for a good while....

Not under his real name you mean.

ETA actually he did comment this morning under his own name so he is around.

Well i have been fairly encouraged by recent events having been deeply rooted in the whitewash camp since the case was originally shelved.
As i said elsewhere got to give Mrs Wall a chance,can't wait for Her first speech.

If all is going well with the Investigation now one would expect the combined forces of the Police to have a little time to digest these latest interviews,and their Christmas Turkey,then maybe start to re interview the main players towards the end of February/March.

I dont think thats an unreasonable guess at how a police enquiry should proceed.

Got an election coming up next May as well.

Encouraged as well Lioned.

I said a while back there would be 'arrests' before xmas. A bit premature and wishful thinking on my behalf.

Once the damages trial has concluded then it happens.

IMO.

As usual with the boringly predictable TB, words have been taken out of context and then twisted to suit an agenda. The Vogue feature was about multiple female detectives and was written to portray the reality of their lives at and away from work against a backdrop of fantastic European crime dramas and how the female leads were written.

This was in Vogue re DCI Wall who was one of multiple women interviewed about their jobs and lives outside work and who all wanted to look smart for work and enjoyed their femininity :

" As plainclothes officers, the detectives are united in their determination to look good. Wall especially enjoys playing with her femininity, if only to shake up the stuffier factions of the Met that still exist. "[b]I usually wear a heel, and I always paint my nails," she says with a toss of her well-groomed head. "They usually brighten a day."

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So glamour was a word used by Bennett, about a woman who along with many appears to want simply to wear the equivalent of her male colleagues' suits and ties. The recent photos of her show her as smartly -dressed and well-groomed. So what? Bennett's words were sexist and used in a derogatory manner.

A heel worn by many working women, who see flats worn with a smart suit or skirt and separate top as a fashion no-no because it looks wrong. Simple as that.
She has well-groomed hair, as do many women at their workplace, and something most men and women have if they take a pride in their appearance.
She paints her nails. Many women see this as the finishing touches to their grooming.
Nowhere doe she say that she dresses to impress men. She says clearly why she dresses the way she does.

She probably is surrounded by grey. Men is suits, an office which whether drab or not probably had a drab view over London. Add to that the grey skies typical of the UK her nails probably are a bright touch at work.

Thank God she never mentioned her lip gloss, Tony would have had a field day with that.
What an ignorant, nasty piece of work he is.

caricature wrote:So Murat is in for questioning today,is this the end for these lines of enquiry,I mean who else is there? apart from the T9,unless they are next and it happens what conclusions can be drawn.

Yes it must be the turn of the T9 next surely.

paracetamol wrote:Many posters on other forums are insisting on saying that it is a whitewash.
They have to preserve their prestige.
They have difficulties to accept that the Yard is serious.

The thing that always amuses me is when people say ' They have always said the McCanns are not suspects' does anybody remember a case when the police have said ' Oh yes we do think ******dunit and we are closely investigating them ? What makes this case different .

chirpyinsect wrote:Elsewhere there has been the most disgraceful sexist rant about the new DCI which has left me completely stunned. WTF is he on? He rubbishes her career by saying she has only reached the lowly position of DCI after 25 years. That`s probably because she has had to punch her way through the glass ceiling which was installed and maintained by the mysoginist organisation she belongs to, fighting for her job in a world populated by men who deem a funny handshake as a qualification for promotion.
Interestingly, whilst not believing in the motives of DCI Redwood he says nothing about his retiral next week after achieving the position of....what was it again?, oh yes DCI.
This is yet another opportunity for this odious little man to promote his dying theory that the Smiths made up their sighting.
Come and see me Mr B. If you could handle a discussion without the ability to ban me I doubt you would last 5 minutes.

My blood is boiling alongside yours chirpyinsect Tony's reference to 'painting nails for the men' reveals so much about his attitude to women, and indeed the 21st century. It also reveals that his theories are growing closer and closer to those of Team McCann - they are united on Smithman, and now it seems they are united on criticising Scotland Yard. I can't help wondering what the old rogue is up to and why he is so insistent on discrediting the Smith family.

He is a man of strong religious beliefs, that include creationism, and he has a fixation on the weird sexual practices of other people, a fixation shared by lots of religious zealots and wannabe saviours of our morals and our children. I don't want to focus on their sex lives, I haven't yet had my breakfast, but they seem to believe there are legions of devils among the rest of us having roman orgies in our bedrooms. They believe they have given 'all of this up' to follow the divine path, and are therefore superior and have earned the right to stand in judgement. It matters not that other peoples' sex lives are probably just as dull as their own, and what is actually driving them is the product of their own (very disturbed) imagination, logic has long been discarded.

Tony believes there is an international paedophile ring operating in PDL that runs through and up to the highest echelons of British society and he wants to be the Christian soldier who drives them out with his trusty sword. He cannot accept that Madeleine's disappearance could simply be the result of a tragic accident (or indeed murder) and opportunist parents. There must be paedophiles in there somewhere. On the 'paedophiles on every corner' front, he and Jim Gamble are singing from the same hymn sheet.

Robert Murat was selected as a patsy very early on. He was a single man, living with his mother and shock horror, he had a bit of porn on his computer. All the other stories about him, I won't repeat because they are so offensive, but Tony Bennett bought them hook line and sinker because it suited its own ideology and agenda. Here was someone he could hate even more than he hated the McCanns. When the true story of Robert Murat being made an arguido emerges it will be clear that he was 'fitted up' with the profile, the anonymous tip off, and the bizarre bestiality stories from childhood - obviously created by a big fan of Criminal Minds.

Today will be very interesting indeed. Tony Bennett will be jumping for joy if RM is made an arguido again, if he is, it will confirm a whitewash. If he isn't Tony will claim the whitewash continues. Whatever happens Tony will be right and whoever disagrees with him will be banned.