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Re: Madeleine McCann: British police to observe questioning in Portugal - BBC 9/12/14
Joana Morais @xklamation · 2 mins 2 minutes ago
Just before people start making silly comments: Murat already stated that he will assist the police, as he has always assisted them.#mccann
Just before people start making silly comments: Murat already stated that he will assist the police, as he has always assisted them.
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candyfloss wrote:Joana Morais @xklamation · 2 mins 2 minutes ago
Just before people start making silly comments: Murat already stated that he will assist the police, as he has always assisted them.#mccann
Well he's either assisting or not.... If it's true he's not answering questions how is that assisting?
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margaret wrote:bellisa wrote:So costello the same will apply to all previous arguidos if true - interesting.
Also seen on fb there that his lawyer said that as he was already questioned previously he cannot be questioned again. Very strange, its not like he was on trial before.
sure if that's the case a lot of crimes would never be solved.
Very odd. What's he got to hide? Make me an arguido if you want I'd answer every damn question until the end of my days - providing I was innocent....
Maybe he is worried he is going to be 'set up' again? They pointed the finger at him in 2007, and now he is being questioned in 2014. If I was innocent and in his shoes I'd be pretty careful about what I said.
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Sounds about right Meteor, if I was in his shoes, any Mccann related instances I would have a lawyer too.
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Louis Antonio and Silvia Batista today. Murat just finished for now.
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Wondering how the mcs are feeling now
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Re: Madeleine McCann: British police to observe questioning in Portugal - BBC 9/12/14
Madeleine McCann Cops Question Robert Murat
13:03, UK, Wednesday 10 December 2014
Robert Murat is interviewed at a police station in Portugal after British police arrive to oversee the questioning of 11 people.
A British man who was questioned over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2007 has been interviewed by police in Faro.
Robert Murat was first questioned shortly after the toddler was reported missing by her parents in May 2007.
British police returned to the Algarve in Portugal this week as four women and seven men who it is thought may have information relating to the case are expected to interviewed over disappearance.
Portuguese police will do the questioning but will be observed by their British counterparts.
Britain opened an investigation in July last year, nearly five years after local police closed their investigation
British officers searched three areas of land in the resort of Praia da Luz in June, close to where Madeleine disappeared, but found no new evidence.
The three-year-old went missing from her holiday apartment on 3 May 2007 while her parents were having dinner at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends.
http://news.sky.com/story/1389339/madeleine-mccann-cops-question-robert-murat
13:03, UK, Wednesday 10 December 2014
Robert Murat is interviewed at a police station in Portugal after British police arrive to oversee the questioning of 11 people.
A British man who was questioned over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2007 has been interviewed by police in Faro.
Robert Murat was first questioned shortly after the toddler was reported missing by her parents in May 2007.
British police returned to the Algarve in Portugal this week as four women and seven men who it is thought may have information relating to the case are expected to interviewed over disappearance.
Portuguese police will do the questioning but will be observed by their British counterparts.
Britain opened an investigation in July last year, nearly five years after local police closed their investigation
British officers searched three areas of land in the resort of Praia da Luz in June, close to where Madeleine disappeared, but found no new evidence.
The three-year-old went missing from her holiday apartment on 3 May 2007 while her parents were having dinner at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends.
http://news.sky.com/story/1389339/madeleine-mccann-cops-question-robert-murat
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Re: Madeleine McCann: British police to observe questioning in Portugal - BBC 9/12/14
Hmmm, there is a video on the above link. Notice they only show just the one efit of Smithman not the two. Interesting...sky should be asked why only one e-fit on that board.
http://news.sky.com/story/1389339/madeleine-mccann-cops-question-robert-murat
http://news.sky.com/story/1389339/madeleine-mccann-cops-question-robert-murat
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I am of the opinion Robert Murat may already have assisted the police, and today was just going through the motions.
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He looked very confident and chatty walking in to the station today.
let's hope you're right costello.
let's hope you're right costello.
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Re: Madeleine McCann: British police to observe questioning in Portugal - BBC 9/12/14
Joana Morais @xklamation · 2 mins 2 minutes ago
PJ makes over 100 questions to three witnesses http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/12/pj-makes-over-100-questions-to-three.html …#mccann via @Marisa_TVI_JN
PJ makes over 100 questions to three witnesses http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/12/pj-makes-over-100-questions-to-three.html …
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Joana Morais @xklamation 34s34 seconds ago
3 witnesses were questioned yesterday, 4 today, 3 tomorrow and one more at a later date in England.#mccann
3 witnesses were questioned yesterday, 4 today, 3 tomorrow and one more at a later date in England.
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Could well be untrue. Besides that, it wouldn't be odd. Your argument "do as they say or you're guilty of something", that's odd.margaret wrote:
Very odd. What's he got to hide? Make me an arguido if you want I'd answer every damn question until the end of my days - providing I was innocent....
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Re: Madeleine McCann: British police to observe questioning in Portugal - BBC 9/12/14
Pictured: Former Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat and his wife at Portuguese police station after being re-interviewed by Scotland Yard over girl’s disappearance
By Gerard Couzens for MailOnline
Published: 14:29, 10 December 2014 | Updated: 14:59, 10 December 2014
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2868478/Pictured-Former-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Robert-Murat-wife-Portuguese-police-station-interviewed-Scotland-Yard-girl-s-disappearance.html#ixzz3LVYXmOy8
- Robert Murat arrived at an Algarve police station this morning
- Former suspect driven into Faro Police Station through a back entrance
- He was accompanied by his German-born wife, Michaela Walczuch
- Murat is not suspected of any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance
- He was called in on the second day of Scotland Yard interviews
By Gerard Couzens for MailOnline
Published: 14:29, 10 December 2014 | Updated: 14:59, 10 December 2014
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2868478/Pictured-Former-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Robert-Murat-wife-Portuguese-police-station-interviewed-Scotland-Yard-girl-s-disappearance.html#ixzz3LVYXmOy8
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Robert Murat (right) and his wife leave Faro's Police Station inside a car after being interviewed as witnesses during an investigation on the Madeleine McCann case
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2868478/Pictured-Former-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Robert-Murat-wife-Portuguese-police-station-interviewed-Scotland-Yard-girl-s-disappearance.html#ixzz3LVYyYkj3
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Re: Madeleine McCann: British police to observe questioning in Portugal - BBC 9/12/14
Joana Morais @xklamation 10 mins10 minutes ago
Seems the other witness questioned today at PJ headquarters in Faro was Sílvia Baptista.#mccann
Seems the other witness questioned today at PJ headquarters in Faro was Sílvia Baptista.
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Re: Madeleine McCann: British police to observe questioning in Portugal - BBC 9/12/14
This from Textusa today re Robert Murat
Textusa10 Dec 2014, 15:19:00
It seems Robert Murat has thrown today a spanner into the questioning by the legal issue raised by the supposed Murat has already been questioned as an arguido on exact same issues by PJ
In our opinion, he hasn’t thrown any spanner. Not even a toothpick.
We don’t know any circumstances whereby one can walk in as a “witness with option to become arguido”, so we have yet to know if he walked in PJ today, 10DEC2014, as an arguido or as a witness.
When one is notified to be questioned by the authorities, it has to be clearly stated if one is a witness or if one is an arguido. There are no options or foreseeable circumstances.
The fact that Murat showed up with a lawyer, doesn’t mean he was notified as an arguido because in Portugal a witness is entitled to have a lawyer present during the questioning.
What may have happened, and this is pure speculation, was that Murat although notified that he had the legal status of witness, his lawyer on hearing a question he considered incriminatory to his client, decided to interrupt the session and demanded that he be given the status of arguido, thus protecting his rights.
If that happened, and we’re not saying it did, it wouldn’t be the exercising the “option” of transforming a witness into an arguido but would only reflect the total incompetency on the part of whoever notified him to be a witness. He should have been called in as an arguido in the first place.
It’s a fact that Murat has already been an arguido in a case that ran terms in Portugal, under a Portuguese investigation by the PJ.
In UK, only exceptional circumstances can you be tried for second time. In Portugal, it’s a fact that no one can be accused for the same crime twice.
But is being arguido the same of being accused?
In our opinion, it’s not.
Murat was never accused of anything in Portugal pertaining the Maddie case. If he had been, the process would have continued to trial and not be archived.
As far as we know his arguido status, just like with the McCanns, was lifted because the process was archived in 2008, waiting new evidence. If new evidence found then process resumed, or reopened, and we see no reason for arguido status not to be resumed also, if such a decision was to be taken.
Being an arguido is to be a suspect. Suspect of doing something. A suspect has no limit on being re-questioned especially if new questions are put.
But where the argument is absolutely invalid is in the fact that even if he’s been notified as an arguido, it’s the FIRST time he is an arguido in this particular process.
As far as we know, this is the first time he’s being considered a person of interest, suspect, arguido, by SY in Maddie’s case.
Isn’t this questioning the result of an authorised request made by SY via rogatory letter?
This process is Operation Grange, not anything to do with the process ongoing in Portugal.
Yes, it’s a Portuguese legal technicality to give him the legal status of arguido (potential suspect not yet charged). SY has no jurisdiction in Portugal to do that but the investigation running terms with these questionings is the British one and not the one Portugal reopened in 2013 and in which Murat was indeed an arguido back in 2007/2008.
Textusa10 Dec 2014, 15:19:00
It seems Robert Murat has thrown today a spanner into the questioning by the legal issue raised by the supposed Murat has already been questioned as an arguido on exact same issues by PJ
In our opinion, he hasn’t thrown any spanner. Not even a toothpick.
We don’t know any circumstances whereby one can walk in as a “witness with option to become arguido”, so we have yet to know if he walked in PJ today, 10DEC2014, as an arguido or as a witness.
When one is notified to be questioned by the authorities, it has to be clearly stated if one is a witness or if one is an arguido. There are no options or foreseeable circumstances.
The fact that Murat showed up with a lawyer, doesn’t mean he was notified as an arguido because in Portugal a witness is entitled to have a lawyer present during the questioning.
What may have happened, and this is pure speculation, was that Murat although notified that he had the legal status of witness, his lawyer on hearing a question he considered incriminatory to his client, decided to interrupt the session and demanded that he be given the status of arguido, thus protecting his rights.
If that happened, and we’re not saying it did, it wouldn’t be the exercising the “option” of transforming a witness into an arguido but would only reflect the total incompetency on the part of whoever notified him to be a witness. He should have been called in as an arguido in the first place.
It’s a fact that Murat has already been an arguido in a case that ran terms in Portugal, under a Portuguese investigation by the PJ.
In UK, only exceptional circumstances can you be tried for second time. In Portugal, it’s a fact that no one can be accused for the same crime twice.
But is being arguido the same of being accused?
In our opinion, it’s not.
Murat was never accused of anything in Portugal pertaining the Maddie case. If he had been, the process would have continued to trial and not be archived.
As far as we know his arguido status, just like with the McCanns, was lifted because the process was archived in 2008, waiting new evidence. If new evidence found then process resumed, or reopened, and we see no reason for arguido status not to be resumed also, if such a decision was to be taken.
Being an arguido is to be a suspect. Suspect of doing something. A suspect has no limit on being re-questioned especially if new questions are put.
But where the argument is absolutely invalid is in the fact that even if he’s been notified as an arguido, it’s the FIRST time he is an arguido in this particular process.
As far as we know, this is the first time he’s being considered a person of interest, suspect, arguido, by SY in Maddie’s case.
Isn’t this questioning the result of an authorised request made by SY via rogatory letter?
This process is Operation Grange, not anything to do with the process ongoing in Portugal.
Yes, it’s a Portuguese legal technicality to give him the legal status of arguido (potential suspect not yet charged). SY has no jurisdiction in Portugal to do that but the investigation running terms with these questionings is the British one and not the one Portugal reopened in 2013 and in which Murat was indeed an arguido back in 2007/2008.
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Burst wrote:Could well be untrue. Besides that, it wouldn't be odd. You're argument "do as they say or you're guilty of something", that's odd.margaret wrote:
Very odd. What's he got to hide? Make me an arguido if you want I'd answer every damn question until the end of my days - providing I was innocent....
Thats a giant leap from what I said, Murats been questioned not asked to climb Everest in a tutu.
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If in general it's found to be odd for a hypothetical suspect, which Murat probably isn't, not to incriminate himself by answering questions, I'll eat my tutu.margaret wrote:Burst wrote:Could well be untrue. Besides that, it wouldn't be odd. Your argument "do as they say or you're guilty of something", that's odd.margaret wrote:
Very odd. What's he got to hide? Make me an arguido if you want I'd answer every damn question until the end of my days - providing I was innocent....
Thats a giant leap from what I said, Murats been questioned not asked to climb Everest in a tutu.
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candyfloss wrote:Hmmm, there is a video on the above link. Notice they only show just the one efit of Smithman not the two. Interesting...sky should be asked why only one e-fit on that board.
http://news.sky.com/story/1389339/madeleine-mccann-cops-question-robert-murat
If Sky shows the other one, they will be sued.
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Rebecca Barry @BeccaBarry 45m45 minutes ago
DCI Nicola Wall, the new leader of Operation Grange, is meeting Portuguese Police#McCann
Rebecca Barry @BeccaBarry 41m41 minutes ago
DCI Wall just arrived at Faro Police Station. I asked "Do you think you'll find out what happened to Madeleine?" She gave no answer.#McCann
Rebecca Barry@BeccaBarry 47m47 minutes ago
This is the woman taking charge of Scotland Yard's hunt for Madeleine#McCann pic.twitter.com/LOyd7w1kDt
DCI Nicola Wall, the new leader of Operation Grange, is meeting Portuguese Police
Rebecca Barry
DCI Wall just arrived at Faro Police Station. I asked "Do you think you'll find out what happened to Madeleine?" She gave no answer.
Rebecca Barry
This is the woman taking charge of Scotland Yard's hunt for Madeleine
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I've got a crush on Miss Wall already.
Even more so when she solves all this.
Even more so when she solves all this.
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