Madeleine McCann: British police to observe questioning in Portugal - BBC 9/12/14

paracetamol wrote:Thank you, Don't 'Forget Madeleine.It is the photo I was looking for. That photo is a confession itself, no delay needed.Just show it to the public prosecuter.


I believe that at least one of the Tapas knows where the body is.

Brazil?



http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/546818/Brazilian-couple-who-wanted-a-child-re-examined-in-Madeleine-hunt


The behaviour of a Brazilian couple who were seen acting suspiciously around the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is now being re-examined by Portuguese police.

Published: 00:01, Sun, December 14, 2014
By JAMES MURRAY
Madeleine vanished from the flat in Praia da Luz in 2007
After British detectives sat in on interviews in Faro with witnesses last week, the Sunday Express can reveal Policia Judiciaria co-ordinator Ana Paula Rito is taking a broader look at leads which may not have been fully pursued.
She is now keen to learn more about the Brazilian couple, who are said to have expressed a strong desire to have a child when they were in the ­Algarve in May 2007 when Madeleine vanished.
A few days after Madeleine vanished from flat 5a of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, a British man came forward with his concerns about the couple and was interviewed by Portuguese detectives.
On the night of the abduction the man was closing his video rental shop just a few streets away from the apartment.
At 10.45pm, 45 minutes after Kate McCann had discovered that her daughter was missing, he noticed the Brazilian woman, aged about 25, driving past his shop in a red car.
The couple, who were staying on a yacht at the marina left shortly after the disappearance and have not been seen again
He told police there was a dog in the front seat and the woman driver kept looking at something on the back seat which he could not see.
Her partner, a bald Brazilian man in his early 40s, had worked on a local farm but was fired after some machinery was damaged and later worked at Lagos marina, about four miles from Luz doing boat ­repair work.
The couple, who were staying on a yacht at the marina left shortly after the disappearance and have not been seen again.
A dark-haired woman seen hanging around the apartment at 8pm on the night Madeleine vanished has never been identified or traced.
On Friday expatriate British businessman Robert Murat was ­re-interviewed for several hours, the last of 10 witnesses to be seen.

Where the McCanns Mad Madeiran lawyer ran away to, just before that story broke? What a coincidence.

And the "secret photo" of the family with "Maddie" leaving an airport in Brazil, that turned out to be a photo of an evacuation of the airport in Ibiza, lifted from the BBC News website. A simple oversight, I'm sure.

The Express have been digging around and come up with this,OG will not give a running commentary,the PJ will not either.
No word from DCI Wall either.

How do they know they expressed a desire for a child? If it was known back then, they'd have been found and questioned. Dogs don't lie, they can't.
IMO

dogs don't lie wrote:How do they know they expressed a desire for a child? If it was known back then, they'd have been found and questioned. Dogs don't lie, they can't.
IMO

So I wonder who the Brazilian couple expressed a desire for a child to? Err, lots of couples desire children, for many its why the get married. Has 'we hope to have children one day' translated to 'we are here to steal an English child'. Would a couple who desired a child (not in the normal way) really go to the Algarve and spread the word around if they were planning a kidnap? And of course, this couple who desire a child are Brazilian, and sadly Brazil is a nation who's Capital's streets are littered with thrownaway children, who's disappearance no-one would notice. Any couple who desired a child in Catholic Brazil wouldn't face any problems.

Whenever these childless couples theories appear, you cannot help wonder why said abducting childless couple would ignore the two sleeping babies (choice of boy and girl) who shared the same room as Madeleine? Why squeeze through the two cots to steal a child who was almost 4?

I sometimes wonder if these theories come from Mr. Ludicrous himself, they become more and more ridiculous as the months/years go by. No wonder the McCanns have made appeals to the public for convincing abduction stories - 'what do YOU think happened' the pro's challenge the public, 'and give a step by step account of exactly how they did it'. The Ideas Department is open for business.

The McCanns are in the unhappy position of having to create and distribute abduction stories on an almost weekly basis. For all the negative publicity that emits from Scotland Yard, they must have a story ready for the Sundays to counteract it. Stories for full of hope, especially now we are hitting the Season of Giving. The coffers are low. Madeleine is alive and being cared for as a Princess in a castle in Buenos Aires, give generously and WE, her parents, will get her home. Please ignore the man behind the curtain Scotland Yard, they were only pretending to look for a body, they are really closing in on the couple looking after our Madeleine. In light of these new developments, we will shortly be releasing a 'tanned' age progression picture, so the search can go on.

Of course they have stopped with the 'sightings', they weren't sustainable after Scotland Yard were on the case. Once all those helpful people sending in photographs and 'might have been Maddie' stories, realised they were liable to have them checked out officially and charges of perverting the course of justice might follow, they dried up.

The Portuguese police believe Madeleine was taken by a Brazilian couple and Scotland Yard believe she was killed in the apartment by bungling burglars who fled with her body, but somehow managed to bury her in the vicinity immediately after the alarm was raised. These inept burglars, came away from the apartment without so much as a wallet or a TV (though they did manage to clean up) have kept their dark secret for 7+ years, despite over £2m being offered as a reward? Err, Ok, the public will buy that.

You can see why the McCanns are having problems with their spin. Absolutely none of it stands up to scrutiny. For example, at some point the theories of the PJ and SY will have to tally - only the Portuguese have the power to prosecute anyone for this crime - so at the moment, we are left with a Brazilian couple who desire a child ignoring the two sleeping babies and clashing with a gang of bungling burglars in Apartment 5A during one of the half hour checks.
Neither gang came away with what they wanted, but they did manage to run around with a mop.

Before anyone pounces on me for being disrespectful, I do not create these stories they emanate from Team McCann and are showcased by the British press. The UK media work on the assumption that the public will accept as gospel, everything they tell us. Unfortunately for 'the establishment' the internet has thrown open the doors to information our forbears could only dream about and they have lost control of the news.

The case of missing Madeleine McCann has revealed to lots of ordinary people the extent to which their trusty daily newspapers have been lying to them. The truth about Madeleine's disappearance is a only a click away, and more and more people can see that what the UK media are telling us about what happened in Portugal, bears no resemblance to the truth.

@ Christobell,very good pity there is no thanks button.

Spot on Cristobell, seems they're desperate for stories atm.

dogs don't lie wrote:Spot on Cristobell, seems they're desperate for stories atm.

Cristobell Author ‏@RosalindaHu 1 hr1 hour ago
When Two Stories Collide #McCann http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk

Has the Yard finished with quizzing of witnesses or can we expect to see more of them?

paracetamol wrote:Has the Yard finished with quizzing of witnesses  or can we expect to see more of them?

This is something I've been wondering paracetamol. Are they back in the UK now or still in PdL?

Also, does anyone know if it's true an English witness was questioned already in the UK? Conflicting reports in newspapers, one saying he/she will be interviewed in PdL and another saying that person has already been interviewed in England.

I'm not clear on whether the PJ needed a presence at interviews.?

The mirror app saying OG has been asking for forensics to be handed over for a year now, but Portugal said it would be illegal.

Thanks DDL, here is the tweet from the Mirror with link...


Daily Mirror ‏@DailyMirror 1h1 hour ago
Madeleine McCann cops had to fight for a YEAR for crucial DNA evidence http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-fight-year-4847449 … pic.twitter.com/DlibFPP8cH

candyfloss wrote:Thanks DDL, here is the tweet from the Mirror with link...


Daily Mirror ‏@DailyMirror 1h1 hour ago
Madeleine McCann cops had to fight for a YEAR for crucial DNA evidence http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-fight-year-4847449 … pic.twitter.com/DlibFPP8cH
 

The Portuguese have had to fight for SEVEN years for medical and bank records. And they still haven't got them, AFAIK.

Cheers candyfloss, and so true Resistor
Still, whoever it's from, doesn't know if they've got the forensics, I'm thinking they ain't.

Resistor wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Thanks DDL, here is the tweet from the Mirror with link...


Daily Mirror ‏@DailyMirror 1h1 hour ago
Madeleine McCann cops had to fight for a YEAR for crucial DNA evidence http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-fight-year-4847449 … pic.twitter.com/DlibFPP8cH
 

The Portuguese have had to fight for SEVEN years for medical and bank records.  And they still haven't got them, AFAIK.

Taken from the Mirror link.

British police believe Madeleine was killed during a bungled burglary.

The PJ think the girl also died,but by accident,so at least they are on the same wavelength in some respects,both confirmed by the dogs?

I'm just hoping the PJ are smart enough not to hand over forensics, legally or illegally.
Deep down, I know they're not stupid.
IMO

dogs don't lie wrote:I'm just hoping the PJ are smart enough not to hand over forensics, legally or illegally.
Deep down, I know they're not stupid.
IMO

If they were,they would have handed them over in the first place,besides the story is bull,it says the local police said it would be illegal,the request wouldn't be asked of them,it would have to go higher.Notice also a source,CM in other words.Thing not going the way of TM?
Notice also a reference to Robert Murat but no name of any other witness's hmmm.

caricature wrote:

dogs don't lie wrote:I'm just hoping the PJ are smart enough not to hand over forensics, legally or illegally.
Deep down, I know they're not stupid.
IMO

If they were,they would have handed them over in the first place,besides the story is bull,it says the local police said it would be illegal,the request wouldn't be asked of them,it would have to go higher.Notice also a source,CM in other words.Thing not going the way of TM?
Notice also a reference to Robert Murat but no name of any other witness's hmmm.

I think "the source" knows as much as we do, also it's from a red top.
This RM thing is getting to someone, but he's been interviewed as a WITNESS and for FOUR HOURS!
The source would really love to know what was said, but they don't, if they did, there'd be more spin in favour of the mcs, ha! Sorry.
IMO

Resistor wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Thanks DDL, here is the tweet from the Mirror with link...


Daily Mirror ‏@DailyMirror 1h1 hour ago
Madeleine McCann cops had to fight for a YEAR for crucial DNA evidence http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-fight-year-4847449 … pic.twitter.com/DlibFPP8cH
 

The Portuguese have had to fight for SEVEN years for medical and bank records.  And they still haven't got them, AFAIK.

If there is ever a trial into the disappearance of Madeleine I would imagine that the police would subpoena the evidence and force the medical and bank records to be produced (it they haven't already got them) -

"A subpoena is a request for the production of documents, or a request to appear in court or other legal proceeding. It is court-ordered command that essentially requires you to do something, such as testify or present information that may help support the facts that are at issue in a pending case. The term "subpoena" literally means "under penalty". A person who receives a subpoena but does not comply with its terms may be subject to civil or criminal penalties, such as fines, jail time, or both.

There are two types of subpoenas. The first, called subpoena ad testificandum, requires you to testify before a court, or other legal authority. The second, called subpoena duces tecum, requires you to produce documents, materials, or other tangible evidence. A subpoena may be requested in any kind of matter, but the most common requests are from divorce, child custody, personal injury, and sex offender cases."

Just seen Mark Warner is no longer associated to the OC?

12 December 2014: Ocean Club

We regret to inform you that Mark Warner no longer have a contract with the Ocean Club and therefore this property has been removed from their Summer 2015 programme with immediate effect.
Our website will be updated shortly to reflect this.
- See more at: http://www.thevacationcompany.net/news/article.php?newsId=108#sthash.rxpGvPEG.dpuf

dogs don't lie wrote:Just seen Mark Warner is no longer associated to the OC?

Yes, I noticed this yesterday when I was trying to find if there was a tv room in the complex (when we were discussing the written timelines!).

Does anyone know when it happened?    Is this the first season MW aren't associated?


ETA Sorry ddl, posts crossed, my question answered then ty.

bluebell wrote:

dogs don't lie wrote:Just seen Mark Warner is no longer associated to the OC?

Yes, I noticed this yesterday when I was trying to find if there was a tv room in the complex (when we were discussing the written timelines!).

Does anyone know when it happened?    Is this the first season MW aren't associated?


ETA     Sorry ddl, posts crossed, my question answered then ty.

Wonder if it is significant.

No longer have a contract, with immediate effect, sounds significant.

dogs don't lie wrote:Just seen Mark Warner is no longer associated to the OC?

Oh dear.

The curse of the McCanns strikes again!