Operation Grange

I dont know if the Mc CANN's have a conscience - but I think the years have eaten away at them -and it shows in their faces. They seem to long for us to believe their story
and for us all to believe Madeleine was abducted. But they know that that will never happen. Just look at the reams of stuff on the internet about them and their friends - forever associated with a
suspected cover up - that will never go away. They dont have a hope in hell of living a contented life. They cannot move on from this unless the case is archived - and even if it were - the truth will one day
find it's way above ground. For ever and ever - they will be discussed on the internet. I think it would be best for them if the truth came out now and the terrible weight would be off their shoulders - and no longer a legacy
for their remaining kids. I dont know how they manage to carry on.

AndyB wrote:

Heisenburg wrote:

candyfloss wrote:

AndyB wrote:

candyfloss wrote:


Nope, there are some crooked people out there, in all walks of life, but I believe the vast majority of cops, are good and honest and want to do their best, especially when it involves a small child.

But what if its not a cover up(I don't beleive it is),but OG have been limited to investigate the instructions of their remit and only that.

Then the question becomes "why?": Why were they given such a restrictive remit and, given that they're only allowed to investigate abduction, why was it set up in the first place?

I totally agree Andy B. My thoughts for what they are worth is that Andy Redwood was set a task to sell the 'Abduction theory'. Sadly to say social media (including our Portuguese friends) won't buy it.
What gets me big time is why Nicola Wall was brought into this scenario, high profile DCI? or maybe just a PR exercise. I really do have my doubts.

Although remember it was Andy Redwood who actually said words to the effect of '' she may have not left the house alive - ' - he introduced the
possibility of death for the first time - which does not support abduction.

Helenmeg wrote:Although remember it was Andy Redwood who actually said words to the effect of '' she may have not left the house alive - ' - he introduced the
possibility of death for the first time - which does not support abduction.  

I remember him saying that but wanted to see it on video again. Had a quick look but couldn't find it.

Can anyone post it up.....

Can't find the video but this press article says so.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

This article was amended on 21 March 2014. The earlier version stated that Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood had said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive when she left the apartment "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case. To clarify: those quoted words actually came after Redwood had referred to the assumption that Madeleine had been abducted. However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was.

Thanks, H.

There must be a video of this press conference somewhere knocking about on the net.

The amendment statement 2 days after is quite interesting. Team McCann obviously not liking the first draft.

I rang up Operation Grange and asked to speak to Faith.

Apparently they don't have anybody of that name working there.










(This is me drunk by the way).

unreorganised wrote:I rang up Operation Grange and asked to speak to Faith.

Apparently they don't have anybody of that name working there.










(This is me drunk by the way).

Did you by any chance ring up Sunderland FC and ask the same question.

Hence reaching for the bottle....

unreorganised wrote:I rang up Operation Grange and asked to speak to Faith.

Apparently they don't have anybody of that name working there.

I wonder if hope and charity are there.

Heisenburg wrote:
I wonder if hope and charity are there.

Well I rang up OG, and asked for Hope.

Apparently there is no Hope.

I rang up OG and asked for Patience.

They told me to wait.

unreorganised wrote:

Heisenburg wrote:
I wonder if hope and charity are there.

Well I rang up OG, and asked for Hope.

Apparently there is no Hope.

No Faith,no Hope,all is lost.

Here's Bob Hope to cheer you up.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturepicturegalleries/10167070/Bob-Hope-his-20-best-one-liners.html

Andrew wrote:And what, the OG team get a rebate from the Madeleine fund for it. Nah, can't see that, Chirps.

No I'm not suggesting OG are getting a kick back. I'm saying their narrow remit was laid down by those protecting the parents.
I, like some of you, struggle to think why OG didn't come up with a nice tidy solution, similar to what we are hearing in Ben's case. A couple of years to make a show of exploring all avenues, then, light bulb moment; it was the ( insert your own dead patsy here)
what done it.
So instead of looking at it from the view that it must be legit because it is taking so long, I am saying there is some kind of deal which lets this run endlessly.
After all a dead child ends the gravy train.
There cannot be a properly run investigation going on as it would be looking at this case from every angle, including the parents. So why have the Tapas 9 not been hauled in long ago? If this ( and other) little fora can see the bleeding obvious, then surely 30 odd professional detectives can.
After so many years of examining this case I am beginning to wonder if we aren't all part of some huge social experiment.

chirpyinsect wrote:

Andrew wrote:And what, the OG team get a rebate from the Madeleine fund for it. Nah, can't see that, Chirps.

No I'm not suggesting OG are getting a kick back. I'm saying their narrow remit was laid down by those protecting the parents.
I, like some of you, struggle to think why OG didn't come up with a nice tidy solution, similar to what we are hearing in Ben's case. A couple of years to make a show of exploring all avenues, then, light bulb moment; it was the ( insert your own dead patsy here)
what done it.
So instead of looking at it from the view that it must be legit because it is taking so long, I am saying there is some kind of deal which lets this run endlessly.
After all a dead child ends the gravy train.
There cannot be a properly run investigation going on as it would be looking at this case from every angle, including the parents. So why have the Tapas 9 not been hauled in long ago? If this ( and other) little fora can see the bleeding obvious, then surely 30 odd professional detectives can.
After so many years of examining this case I am beginning to wonder if we aren't all part of some huge social experiment.

Chirpy how can you say this, how can anyone say this - how do you know what they are doing, how do you know they are not looking at every angle and most importantly, how on earth do you know who has been hauled in for questioning?  It is where the investigation leads them that will decide who is questioned.  I would have thought it would be on their list though to interview anyone who was there on the night of 3rd May and days before and after.   It is an investigation and we have not right to know who is being interviewed - it causes a media circus, you only have to look at the Jo Yeates murder and the person accused and the headlines that happened, plus it would or could prejudice any future trial if there were one.  The time for moaning if people think it is not to their liking is when it concludes and not before imo.  We are not privy to what they do, and that is how it should be.

We are now going off topic and I have contributed answering chirpy    so let's stay with Ben Needham please.

Check, Candyfloss!
[In reply to your previous post].

I agree - there is no reason why an investigation should make the public aware of their every move. Although, I have read somewhere  that they often choose to reveal things in order to observe
reactions. They cannot be dunces (we hope). OG have chosen to make somethings very public when it pleases them - the dogs involved in the searches Portugal - the photos of them 'digging' etc etc .
They were happy for the public to know they were re-interviewing Murat in 2014 - when it suits them they are happy for it to be on front pages.
Sorry - I wrote this before seeing that we were going off topic - sorry - back to topic....

Freedom has transferred posts here so we can continue - if anyone wants to.

Operation Ben - Do a show then tell the world Ben is dead - more to come.

Operation Grange - Do a show but don't tell the world anything - more to come.

Similarities but the higher-profile of the 2 is far more secretive. Even though the circumstantial evidence in the McCann case is considerably more than in the Needham case.

IMO.

Just thought I'd chip in with that.

As you were...

How any more cupboards and storage ares can there been left to search in Belgravia.

Just one more where you'll find the McCanns and the Tapas lot cowering.

That door is firmly bolted,or it'll be like old mother hubbard and the cupboard was bare.

Just waiting for the special key to unlock it.

chirpyinsect wrote:
After so many years of examining this case I am beginning to wonder if we aren't all part of some huge social experiment.

It's a bit like the EU vote really - any opportunity to rub questioning types noses in their own impotence.