Operation Grange

Surely OG can't be announcing any sort of closure.... Can they?

They need to say something though and put a stop to a lot of this disgraceful nonsense that's being reported in the Media.

Not sure what to make of that statement from Kate (apart from it's a load of bollox). Will have another read.

I don't know if this has anything to do with tomorrow's statement, but Jill posted this over the way about half an hour ago and virtually all the links are broken.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13990-mccanns-hid-the-body-headlines-24-25-april-2017


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'McCanns Hid the Body' - Headlines 24 & 25 April 2017

Post by Get'emGonçalo Today at 22:57
Maddie McCann's body hid by MI5 spies claims police chief - Daily Mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Maddie-McCann-s-body-hid-MI5-spies-claims-police-chief.htm...

15 hours ago - MI5 spies HID Madeleine McCann's body, claims Portuguese ... run over by a motorist, who then hid her body in one of the resort's 600 wells.

Goncalo Amaral claims 'MI5 hid Madeleine McCann's body in cover ...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/.../goncalo-amaral-madeleine-mccann-mi5-cover-up/

1 day ago - EX-PORTUGUESE police chief Goncalo Amaral has claimed MI5 helped cover-up Madeleine McCann's body after her parents accidentally killed ...

Who is Goncalo Amaral? Ex-Madeleine McCann cop who believes ...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/.../goncalo-amaral-madeleine-mccann-cop-claims-mi5-hid-bo...

12 hours ago - Goncalo Amaral claimed Maddie had died in the McCann's holiday flat ... cop who believes Gerry and Kate killed her and 'MI5 hid her body'.

MI5 Hid Madeleine McCann's Body - News - Daily Stormer BBS

https://bbs.dailystormer.com/t/mi5-hid-madeleine-mccanns-body/101350

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1 day ago - Goncalo Amaral claims 'MI5 hid Madeleine McCann's body in cover-up after her parents killed her' - The Sun They definitely have something to ...

Madeleine McCann news: 'MI5 hid her body' Ex-police chief's bizarre ...

www.dailystar.co.uk › News › Latest News

1.    www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/608139/Madeleine-McCann-MI5-cover-up-hid-body-police-claims-what-happened-to-Maddie+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cached

21 hours ago - AN EX-POLICE chief has sensationally claimed Madeleine McCann's death was covered up by British secret agents.

Portuguese ex police chief alleges British spies hid Madeline ...

www.independent.ie/.../portuguese-ex-police-chief-alleges-british-spies-hid-madeline-...

1.    www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/portuguese-ex-police-chief-alleges-british-spies-hid-madeline-mccanns-body-in-interview-for-australian-documentary-35647825.html+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cached

15 hours ago - Portuguese ex police chief alleges British spies hid Madeline McCann's body in interview for Australian documentary. Madeleine McCann ...

Maddie McCann's body hid by MI5 spies, claims former police chief ...

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1815079

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8 hours ago - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4439068/Maddie-McCann-s-body-hid-MI5-spies-claims-police-chief.html · archive.org link, Archive.is ...

Goncalo Amaral claims 'MI5 hid Madeleine McCann's body in cover ...

opensources.info › Uncategorized

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1 day ago - BIZARRE MADDIE CLAIMS It comes as experts revealed they believe Maddie's body could have been hidden in one of 600 wells in Portugal's ...

Maddie McCann's body hid by MI5 spies, claims police chief | OSINT

opensources.info › Intelligence

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14 hours ago - He claimed MI5 helped to hide the body of the youngster and that even former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown was involved in the cover ...

Goncalo Amaral claims 'MI5 hid Madeleine McCann's body in cover-up ...

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net › ... › McCann: Latest News

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2 days ago - 25 posts - ‎13 authors

"The ludicrous thing is that Madeleine died in the apartment by an accident and we hid her body," Mr McCann told Sunday Night. "Well, when ...

Madeleine McCann: 'MI5 hid her body' Ex-police chief's bizarre cover ...

www.todayevery.com/share/H1XLGB8q0x?hint...McCann-MI5...up-hid-body...

1.    www.todayevery.com/share/H1XLGB8q0x%3Fhint%3DMadeleine-McCann-MI5-cover-up-hid-body-police-claims-what-happened-to-Maddie/608139+&cd=19&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cached

AN EX-POLICE chief has sensationally claimed Madeleine McCann's death was covered up by British secret agents.

Maddie McCann's body hid by MI5 spies, claims police chief - FlapShip

flapship.com/2017/04/maddie-mccanns-body-hid-by-mi5-spies-claims-police-chief/

Links from Google itself work absolutely fine.

candyfloss wrote:

candyfloss wrote:ITV NEWS CONFIRMS OPERATION GRANGE UPDATE
New post  Mo Today at 10:32 pm

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ITV News have confirmed there will be an update in the Madeleine McCann case tomorrow

Thanks Mo for that, and espeland too.

Any takers as to what this will be?  

The horse bolted long ago and we're closing the stable door now.

espeland wrote:I don't know if this has anything to do with tomorrow's statement, but Jill posted this over the way about half an hour ago and virtually all the links are broken.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t13990-mccanns-hid-the-body-headlines-24-25-april-2017


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'McCanns Hid the Body' - Headlines 24 & 25 April 2017

Post by Get'emGonçalo Today at 22:57
Maddie McCann's body hid by MI5 spies claims police chief - Daily Mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Maddie-McCann-s-body-hid-MI5-spies-claims-police-chief.htm...

15 hours ago - MI5 spies HID Madeleine McCann's body, claims Portuguese ... run over by a motorist, who then hid her body in one of the resort's 600 wells.

Goncalo Amaral claims 'MI5 hid Madeleine McCann's body in cover ...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/.../goncalo-amaral-madeleine-mccann-mi5-cover-up/

1 day ago - EX-PORTUGUESE police chief Goncalo Amaral has claimed MI5 helped cover-up Madeleine McCann's body after her parents accidentally killed ...

Who is Goncalo Amaral? Ex-Madeleine McCann cop who believes ...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/.../goncalo-amaral-madeleine-mccann-cop-claims-mi5-hid-bo...

12 hours ago - Goncalo Amaral claimed Maddie had died in the McCann's holiday flat ... cop who believes Gerry and Kate killed her and 'MI5 hid her body'.

MI5 Hid Madeleine McCann's Body - News - Daily Stormer BBS

https://bbs.dailystormer.com/t/mi5-hid-madeleine-mccanns-body/101350

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1 day ago - Goncalo Amaral claims 'MI5 hid Madeleine McCann's body in cover-up after her parents killed her' - The Sun They definitely have something to ...

Madeleine McCann news: 'MI5 hid her body' Ex-police chief's bizarre ...

www.dailystar.co.uk › News › Latest News

1.    www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/608139/Madeleine-McCann-MI5-cover-up-hid-body-police-claims-what-happened-to-Maddie+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cached

21 hours ago - AN EX-POLICE chief has sensationally claimed Madeleine McCann's death was covered up by British secret agents.

Portuguese ex police chief alleges British spies hid Madeline ...

www.independent.ie/.../portuguese-ex-police-chief-alleges-british-spies-hid-madeline-...

1.    www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/portuguese-ex-police-chief-alleges-british-spies-hid-madeline-mccanns-body-in-interview-for-australian-documentary-35647825.html+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cached

15 hours ago - Portuguese ex police chief alleges British spies hid Madeline McCann's body in interview for Australian documentary. Madeleine McCann ...

Maddie McCann's body hid by MI5 spies, claims former police chief ...

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1815079

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8 hours ago - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4439068/Maddie-McCann-s-body-hid-MI5-spies-claims-police-chief.html · archive.org link, Archive.is ...

Goncalo Amaral claims 'MI5 hid Madeleine McCann's body in cover ...

opensources.info › Uncategorized

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1 day ago - BIZARRE MADDIE CLAIMS It comes as experts revealed they believe Maddie's body could have been hidden in one of 600 wells in Portugal's ...

Maddie McCann's body hid by MI5 spies, claims police chief | OSINT

opensources.info › Intelligence

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14 hours ago - He claimed MI5 helped to hide the body of the youngster and that even former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown was involved in the cover ...

Goncalo Amaral claims 'MI5 hid Madeleine McCann's body in cover-up ...

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net › ... › McCann: Latest News

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2 days ago - 25 posts - ‎13 authors

"The ludicrous thing is that Madeleine died in the apartment by an accident and we hid her body," Mr McCann told Sunday Night. "Well, when ...

Madeleine McCann: 'MI5 hid her body' Ex-police chief's bizarre cover ...

www.todayevery.com/share/H1XLGB8q0x?hint...McCann-MI5...up-hid-body...

1.    www.todayevery.com/share/H1XLGB8q0x%3Fhint%3DMadeleine-McCann-MI5-cover-up-hid-body-police-claims-what-happened-to-Maddie/608139+&cd=19&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Cached

AN EX-POLICE chief has sensationally claimed Madeleine McCann's death was covered up by British secret agents.

Maddie McCann's body hid by MI5 spies, claims police chief - FlapShip

flapship.com/2017/04/maddie-mccanns-body-hid-by-mi5-spies-claims-police-chief/

They are not correct links that's why, nothing to do with conspiracies they are claiming over there. The links have been copied from google or bing and have bits missing off the end, dots on the end etc. they are not full links.

I can't find anything at all about this.

Did it say what time this announcement was going to be made? Or just shown on News at 10 or something?

Neither can I - yet there seems to be a build up to something happening ... there is certainly a feeling that something is going on - or will be happening....

The recent flurry or whirlwind of activity is leading to something..

I can't find anything either, they surely have to say something though soon with the amount of rubbish flying around. The comment in the paper the other day about both investigations coming to different conclusions was interesting though......... where did that come from.

This from K & G statement

Thankfully, there is an active police investigation to try and find Madeleine and bring her abductor to justice. There are no new appeals that the police wish to make at this moment in time and so we are keeping any media involvement marking this unwanted milestone to a minimum.

would surely not imply Grange is closing yet, as they would have been told.

Helenmeg wrote:Neither can I - yet there seems to be a build up to something happening ... there is certainly a feeling that something is going on - or will be happening....

The recent flurry or whirlwind of activity is leading to something..

They're probably plotting a crackdown on discussing the case online.

Will stick this latest Telegraph article here that's just come out (or move if see fit, Mods):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/madeleine-mccann-latest-are-police-any-closer-to-knowing-the-tru/

Snipped from above link:

The arrival of two British sniffer dogs in Portugal in July 2007 only hardened that belief. One dog was trained to sniff out traces of human blood, the other was trained to sniff out the scent of dead bodies. Both dogs were taken to several locations connected to the investigation, and gave alerts only in apartment 5A. Later, the cadaver dog gave an alert inside a Renault car, hired by the McCanns 24 days after Madeleine went missing.

Will stick this article here as well that has just come out:

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/madeleine-mccann-hunt-police-pursuing-significant-line-of-inquiry-ten-years-on-1-8510401

Madeleine McCann hunt police ‘pursuing significant line of inquiry’ ten years on
09:54Tuesday 25 April 2017

British detectives working on the Madeleine McCann case are still pursuing “critical” leads as the 10th anniversary of her disappearance approaches, a Scotland Yard chief has revealed.

Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said there are “significant investigative avenues” that are of “great interest” to both the UK and Portuguese teams.

Officers have sifted through some 40,000 documents and looked at more than 600 individuals since 2011.

In an interview nearly a decade on from the youngster’s disappearance, Mr Rowley also confirmed that four people considered as possible suspects in 2013 have been ruled out.

Madeleine vanished from the family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in Portugal on May 3 2007 when she was three years old.

Her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, of Rothley, Leicestershire, have vowed to “never give up” hope of finding their daughter.

Asked if police were any closer to solving the case than they were six years ago when the UK investigation was launched, Mr Rowley said: “I know we have a significant line of inquiry which is worth pursuing, and because it’s worth pursuing it could provide an answer, but until we’ve gone through it I won’t know whether we are going to get there or not.

“Ourselves and the Portuguese are doing a critical piece of work and we don’t want to spoil it by putting titbits of information out publicly.”

He declined to expand on the nature of the working theories or reveal whether any suspects were currently being considered, saying that disclosing further detail would not help the investigation.

Mr Rowley said: “We’ve got some critical lines of inquiry, those link to particular hypotheses, but I’m not going to discuss those because those are very much live investigation.

“We’ve got some thoughts on what we think the most likely explanations might be and we are pursuing those.”

He described the possibility of a “burglary gone wrong” as a “sensible hypothesis” which has not been “entirely ruled out”.

The senior officer was asked about the theory of a sex predator being responsible for Madeleine’s disappearance.

Mr Rowley said: “That’s been one key line of inquiry. The reality is in the modern world in any urban area if you cast your net widely you will find a whole pattern of offences.

“You will find sex offenders who live nearby. And those coincidences need to be sifted out, what’s a coincidence and what may be linked to the investigation that you are currently doing.

“Offences which may be linked have to be looked at and either ruled in or ruled out.”

Mr Rowley said there was still a “lot unknown” in the case, adding: “All the different hypotheses have to remain open.”

Police have looked at more than 600 individuals who were identified as being potentially significant to Madeleine’s disappearance.

In 2013 the team identified four people as suspects in the case. Interviews and searches were carried out but no evidence was found to implicate the four in the disappearance.

Mr Rowley said they are no longer the subject of further investigation and have been ruled out of the inquiry.

Meanwhile, police working on the case continue to receive information on a daily basis.

Mr Rowley said: “Thousands of pieces of information have come forward, some useful, some not, but amongst that have been some nuggets that have thrown some extra light on the original material that came from the time.

“That’s one of the things that’s helped us make progress and have some critical lines of inquiry we want to pursue today.”

Mr Rowley said there was no “definitive evidence” as to whether Madeleine is alive or dead.

He added: “That’s why we describe it as a missing person inquiry. We understand why, after this many years, people will be pessimistic, but it’s important we keep an open mind.”

The officer added that however Madeleine left the apartment, she was abducted.

“She wasn’t old enough to make a decision to set off and start her own life,” he said.

The assistant commissioner pledged that the investigation team will do all they can to provide an answer for Madeleine’s parents.

He said: “I so wish I could say we will definitely solve it but a small number of cases sadly don’t get solved.

“What I’ve always said on this case, and I’ve said it to Kate and Gerry as well, we will do everything reasonably possible to try and find an answer.

“I just can’t quite guarantee it. It always hurts that you can’t guarantee success but we will do everything we reasonably can do to try and get there.”

Around 30 detectives were working on the UK probe, Operation Grange, when it was established in 2011. The team has now been scaled back to four detectives.

Last month the Home Office confirmed £85,000 was being given to the inquiry to cover operational costs from April to September. More than £11 million has been spent on the inquiry so far.

Mr Rowley insisted the investigation has achieved “an awful lot”.

He said: “I think people get seduced perhaps by what they see in TV dramas where the most complex cases are solved in 30 minutes or 60 minutes. What we started with here was something extraordinary.

“We’ve achieved a complete understanding of it all. We’ve sifted out many of the potential suspects, many of the people of interest and where we are today is with a much smaller team focused on a small number of remaining critical lines of inquiry that we think are significant.”

Asked about the cost of the investigation, he said: “Big cases can take a lot of resources and a lot of time.

“We’ve tried to be careful about public money and as we’ve started with that massive sifting we’ve reduced the number of resources and the funding’s reduced accordingly.

“But we will stick with it as long as the funding’s available and as long as there are sensible lines of inquiry to pursue.”

ends

Is that essentially the statement or are we waiting for something else?

froggy wrote:Is that essentially the statement or are we waiting for something else?

Probably along those lines, Froggy.

It's actually quite a fascinating piece in many respects although it doesn't seem to move things any further forward.

From the above article

He described the possibility of a “burglary gone wrong” as a “sensible hypothesis” which has not been “entirely ruled out”.

Sounds none too confident about that

froggy wrote:From the above article

He described the possibility of a “burglary gone wrong” as a “sensible hypothesis” which has not been “entirely ruled out”.

Sounds none too confident about that

But the current burglary suspects have been eliminated so unless they think there was a further burglary gang roaming around that night then that line of enquiry is essentially a dead duck.

Mr Rowley said […] “All the different hypotheses have to remain open.”
[…]
The officer added that however Madeleine left the apartment, she was abducted.

So all the different abduction hypotheses are open but nothing else. And as he's described the burglary gone wrong as a "sensible" hypothesis surely we can now rule out any possibility that Grange is genuine

I wouldn't agree with that, Andy.

I found the article fairly positive in some sense.

I suppose it depends on how Rowley is using the word 'abduction'...... Reading between the lines and all that.

abduct
əbˈdʌkt/Submit
verb
past tense: abducted; past participle: abducted
1.
take (someone) away illegally by force or deception; kidnap.
"the millionaire who disappeared may have been abducted"

AndyB wrote:Mr Rowley said […] “All the different hypotheses have to remain open.”
[…]
The officer added that however Madeleine left the apartment, she was abducted.

So all the different abduction hypotheses are open but nothing else. And as he's described the burglary gone wrong as a "sensible" hypothesis surely we can now rule out any possibility that Grange is genuine

Do you think this bit

Meanwhile, police working on the case continue to receive information on a daily basis.

Mr Rowley said: “Thousands of pieces of information have come forward, some useful, some not, but amongst that have been some nuggets that have thrown some extra light on the original material that came from the time.

“That’s one of the things that’s helped us make progress and have some critical lines of inquiry we want to pursue today.” wrote:

is a bone thrown to forumites like us?

I've found the tweet about a SY announcement tomorrow:

unreorganised wrote:

froggy wrote:From the above article

He described the possibility of a “burglary gone wrong” as a “sensible hypothesis” which has not been “entirely ruled out”.

Sounds none too confident about that

But the current burglary suspects have been eliminated so unless they think there was a further burglary gang roaming around that night then that line of enquiry is essentially a dead duck.

I don't think it can ever be ruled out.

Anyone could have been ambling past and have decided to wander in there, through the open patio door, to see whether there was any money.

It could have been a first time offender who has been good as gold since, or has gone back to his home country to commit further crime, or who was killed on his motorbike 2 weeks later.

Unlikely, in fact, extremely unlikely, but no way to be certain.

Only cctv covering all the entrances to the apartment would prove that there was no burglary, hence it will stay "not entirely ruled out".

To me, that statement says "we don't believe it was a burglary".

unreorganised wrote:

AndyB wrote:Mr Rowley said […] “All the different hypotheses have to remain open.”
[…]
The officer added that however Madeleine left the apartment, she was abducted.

So all the different abduction hypotheses are open but nothing else. And as he's described the burglary gone wrong as a "sensible" hypothesis surely we can now rule out any possibility that Grange is genuine

Do you think this bit



is a bone thrown to forumites like us?

Possibly, but I think the quote that, whatever happened to her, she was definitely abducted is pretty damning

Andrew wrote:I wouldn't agree with that, Andy.

I'd be amazed if you did :-)

All I would say is that you only abduct living people, you don't abduct corpses

mumof6 wrote:
Anyone could have been ambling past and have decided to wander in there, through the open patio door, to see whether there was any money.

Unlucky to hit on the joint of the skinto twins then.