Re: The Mystery of Ben Needham

Andrew Thu 29 Sep 2016, 10:10 am

unreorganised wrote:
Andrew wrote:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-ben-needham-police-find-8937974

Breaking: Ben Needham police find evidence of "decomposition" at Kos dig site as they search for missing toddler

Lots of reading between the lines to be done in that article.

Also they seem to be digging awfully close to the Needham house considering I had gained the impression that the digger driver was working quite some distance away.

Yes, they've certainly got closer to the house as the days gone by.

Is this the area where Dino was working on the map (digging site)..? Sat will know..... Sat?

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Andrew Thu 29 Sep 2016, 11:17 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3813228/Ben-Needham-search-finds-decomposed-matter.html

A few new pictures in this updated DM article.

Andrew Thu 29 Sep 2016, 11:46 am

There was some references in today's articles about the 'Body Farm Project'. Never heard of it myself but looked into it and had a read.

Some info here:

https://www.texastribune.org/2015/07/25/texas-body-farm-research-uses-corpses-solve-crimes/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_farm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/corpses-left-rot-farm-name-7325304

(I wouldn't watch the video in the last link though)

Châtelaine Thu 29 Sep 2016, 12:31 pm

I've heard, read and saw about this project before. I think it's brilliant and courageous.
It's initiator has been an important witness in some important crime cases.

Andrew Thu 29 Sep 2016, 1:07 pm

A very interesting and fascinating article about it all:

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/28/7078151/body-farm-texas-freeman-ranch-decay

Although I wouldn't recommend reading it whilst having your lunch as I've just done.

TheTruthWillOut Thu 29 Sep 2016, 1:22 pm

I see in this case there seems to be a full minute by minute running commentary unlike another case...?

Questions: The friend of Dino that seems to be the source of these possibly end game digs. How old is he and where was he 1991? What was his job back then?

Andrew Thu 29 Sep 2016, 3:43 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needham-police-discover-ancient--8940932

Snipped:

Police searching for missing toddler Ben Needham have dramatically halted the dig after an ancient burial ground was discovered.

The "Four or five" tombs which are up to 2,000 years old mean British police have to seek permission from the Greek authorities to continue.

Lead investigator DI Jon Cousins insisted digging in other parts of the site will continue.

The burial ground includes four tombs believed to be Roman covered in pottery between 1,500 and 2,000 years old.

unreorganised Thu 29 Sep 2016, 3:55 pm

Châtelaine wrote:I've heard, read and saw about this project before. I think it's brilliant and courageous.
It's initiator has been an important witness in some important crime cases.

It's also the subject of a Patricia Cornwell novel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Body_Farm_(novel)

Andrew Thu 29 Sep 2016, 4:01 pm

TheTruthWillOut wrote:I see in this case there seems to be a full minute by minute running commentary unlike another case...?

Questions: The friend of Dino that seems to be the source of these possibly end game digs. How old is he and where was he 1991? What was his job back then?

Had a quick squiz about but can't see any details at all about Dino's chum. No age, no name, no nothing in fact.....

TheTruthWillOut Thu 29 Sep 2016, 4:36 pm

Andrew wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:I see in this case there seems to be a full minute by minute running commentary unlike another case...?

Questions: The friend of Dino that seems to be the source of these possibly end game digs. How old is he and where was he 1991? What was his job back then?

Had a quick squiz about but can't see any details at all about Dino's chum. No age, no name, no nothing in fact.....

Really? *scratches chin*

Anyone else think this odd? Surely the widow of Dino knows who he is? This gives me a similar feeling to Crecheman....Unfair/premature?

**candyfloss** Thu 29 Sep 2016, 4:46 pm

Konstantinos Barkas, also known as Dino, was clearing land with an excavator close to where the 21-month-old was playing on the day he vanished in 1991 and may be responsible for his death, a friend of the builder has reportedly told police.

Read more at: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/widow-of-digger-driver-denies-he-caused-death-of-missing-toddler-ben-needham-1-8132336

Mr Barkas reportedly built up a successful construction business on the popular tourist island before his death in April 2015 aged 62.His son Valandis said his father was an honest and respectable man who had assisted British investigators when requested.

Read more at: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/widow-of-digger-driver-denies-he-caused-death-of-missing-toddler-ben-needham-1-8132336

Andrew Thu 29 Sep 2016, 4:54 pm

... But there's no information given about Dino's friend in which TTWO's original question was about...

**candyfloss** Thu 29 Sep 2016, 5:03 pm

Andrew wrote:... But there's no information given about Dino's friend in which TTWO's original question was about...

Oh sorry, thought it mentioned him too, but it is just a fleeting comment, Ah well, back to the drawing board Smile

TheTruthWillOut Thu 29 Sep 2016, 5:24 pm

I hate being so negative and questioning things like this but the widow doesn't really question what this supposed friend has said or demand to know who he is. Also why did he wait well over year after Dino's death to share with the Police?

Surely if this had been weighing on his mind all these years his friends death would immediately trigger him spilling the beans to Police?

And that is even before you get into why cover up an accident and take it to the grave.

costello Thu 29 Sep 2016, 5:37 pm

TheTruthWillOut wrote:
Andrew wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:I see in this case there seems to be a full minute by minute running commentary unlike another case...?

Questions: The friend of Dino that seems to be the source of these possibly end game digs. How old is he and where was he 1991? What was his job back then?

Had a quick squiz about but can't see any details at all about Dino's chum. No age, no name, no nothing in fact.....

Really? *scratches chin*

Anyone else think this odd? Surely the widow of Dino knows who he is? This gives me a similar feeling to Crecheman....Unfair/premature?

These whole recent developments on the Ben Needham case are totally beyond me, hence the reason I don't and will not comment. Something doesn't add up for me.

Satsuma Thu 29 Sep 2016, 9:37 pm

Andrew wrote:
unreorganised wrote:
Andrew wrote:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-ben-needham-police-find-8937974

Breaking: Ben Needham police find evidence of "decomposition" at Kos dig site as they search for missing toddler

Lots of reading between the lines to be done in that article.

Also they seem to be digging awfully close to the Needham house considering I had gained the impression that the digger driver was working quite some distance away.

Yes, they've certainly got closer to the house as the days gone by.

Is this the area where Dino was working on the map (digging site)..? Sat will know..... Sat?

The villa that Dino was working on is at the other end of the scrubland from the farmhouse (near the top of the photo, above the circle)

But this Mirror article says that Grandad invited Dino up to "dig a road on the farmhouse". I find that interesting. Yes Andrew, the dig is remarkably close to the farmhouse considering the villa (building site) was so far away

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needhams-grandfather-reveals-spoke-8860116

By the way, on that map above, the BBC still thinks that the Needhams were staying in the stone house over the road. They weren't. The farmhouse is at the bottom of the circle

TheTruthWillOut Thu 29 Sep 2016, 10:04 pm

Wow at reading that Mirror link, Satsuma. Now I wonder if the mythical "friend of Dino" really exists. I just can't tell where this is all heading. I'm really wary of a dead person being held responsible for something like this without some solid proof.

Is it really true the BBC have marked the map wrong? Someone should inform them.

Andrew Thu 29 Sep 2016, 10:26 pm

Yes, your quite right, about the house location, Sat. I'm surprised I didn't pick up on that myself.

Anyway, some other related news:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needhams-sister-admits-police-8943657

Satsuma Thu 29 Sep 2016, 10:28 pm

TTWO, the media have always been confused and love to link BN with the stone house over the road, like in this pic

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The Mystery of Ben Needham - Page 17 The%20pile%20of%20rubble%20where%20Ben%20is%20said%20to%20be%20buried%20next%20to%20the%20house%20where%20he%20was%20staying

and this one

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but the farmhouse is the single storey building to the left of it here

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The Mystery of Ben Needham - Page 17 15958984000005DC-0-image-a-16_1431772138225

I think the resident(s) of the stone house was/were asked if they'd seen BN around the time of his disappearance but I will have to remind myself of that by looking it up

Satsuma Thu 29 Sep 2016, 10:36 pm

OK, so Dino was working on a building site about 70 metres from the farmhouse

Grandad invited him up to "dig a road on the farmhouse"

The current dig is taking place adjacent to the farmhouse, not where the building site was

I'm intrigued

**Freedom** Thu 29 Sep 2016, 10:39 pm

seahorse wrote: This is from the book:

This is after 7 o'clock in the evening:

"The farmhouse felt like it was in the middle of nowhere, although there were one or two secluded homes dotted around. Across from where the lane joined the driveway stood the strange-looking villa. It wasn't just high, it seemed to have been built back to front. You had to go round the rear to enter - as the police discovered when they decided to pay a call.
And old lady Dad had seen once or twice answered. She confirmed that she had been in all day and had, crucially, seen Stephen leave on his motorbike.
'Was the baby with him?'
''No, the baby was playing. Over there.' She pointed to the back of the farmhouse. To exactly where Ben was last heard."

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So, when they realised Ben was missing, no one thought of knocking on the door of the villa across the road? Very odd.

Is the house with the old lady the same as the stone one?

Satsuma Thu 29 Sep 2016, 10:44 pm

Yes that's the one, Freedom. As you can see from the photos, the front must be at the back! It definitely isn't the farmhouse
Seahorse did some very good research on BN back in May

Andrew Thu 29 Sep 2016, 10:47 pm

I do think the Grandad needs a further look into.....

Just saying....

**Freedom** Thu 29 Sep 2016, 10:51 pm

I keep thinking that one or more of the family must know what happened but I just don't know how, if that is true, that they have been able to live with themselves and carry on a charade for so long.

TheTruthWillOut Thu 29 Sep 2016, 10:53 pm

Maybe I'm just reading too much into it but it seems a scenario of Grandad, Dino+digger were within yards of where Ben was playing and could be seen/heard even by the old lady inside the stone building (I assume that is the building she was in).

Now given where the dig is now taking place it reads like the whole thing is being spelled out.

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