ITV This Morning 21/02/17

It's certainly a possibility that two incidents occurred Andrew. An injury earlier leading to a fatality later on. Bodged care/resuscitation/failure to report reason for conspiracy silence? Just speculating theory, as ever.

Dee Coy wrote:It's certainly a possibility that two incidents occurred Andrew. An injury earlier leading to a fatality later on. Bodged care/resuscitation/failure to report reason for conspiracy silence? Just speculating theory, as ever.

I think it's perfectly plausible.

Any thoughts from anyone else....

Patience isn't one of your virtues, Andrew!

I would have thought that, in such a scenario (falling down the stairs, adults flapping round in a panic), the noise would have been heard by Mrs Fenn and other neighbours, bringing them out to investigate.

Another article just come out:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-slam-judges-9865132

Madeleine McCann's parents slam judges who say they haven't been formally cleared of involvement in her disappearance
Kate and Gerry McCann slammed judges who said the lifting of their “arguido” status was not the same thing as ruling them innocent

Freedom wrote:Patience isn't one of your virtues, Andrew!

I would have thought that, in such a scenario (falling down the stairs, adults flapping round in a panic), the noise would have been heard by Mrs Fenn and other neighbours, bringing them out to investigate.

No it never has been. Unfortunately.

As I say... Just speculating. Was more at the time thinking of the sudden stop (of the crying) rather than any commotion/panic from Gerry for example (he cuts people up before breakfast) who would perhaps remain calm under such a circumstance (even if he was half-cut).

Going off on a tangent here but just really wanted to explore this 'woke and wandered' scenario a bit more.... If they're coming out publicly with Clarence as well to discredit MW-T then is there something in this....

Or is it just all a sodding game between them all.

Just to confirm that Gerry doesn't as far as I know cut up patients at any time of the day - he's a consultant not a surgeon.

Whoever would want to find themselves at his mercy?!

What a stupid headline in The Star. Mind you, most tabloid readers won't remember that this is an old, old story rehashed.

Blood was found on a wall at Quintas dos figos? On the wall and a couple of spots on the pavement! From a blog from Shininginluz....

https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/theory-1-madeleine-simply-wandered-off/

A citation used from the files (about cutting people up before breakfast). I know he's a consultant and doesn't literally. The context of him being calm (and quiet) in that sort of situation (that he might find himself in). But never mind

I think it's another, " confusion is good " scenario. What about the blood and cadaver scent found behind the couch by Eddie and Keela. I wonder if the truth will ever come out.

Updates:

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/waging-war-on-all-fronts.html

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/maddie-parents-accuse-supreme-court.html

Birdy wrote:I think it's another, " confusion is good " scenario. What about the blood and cadaver scent found behind the couch by Eddie and Keela. I wonder if the truth will ever come out.

Absolutely. It either happened there or she was brought there.

The truth is bursting to come out now, Birdy.

Bampots wrote:Blood was found on a wall at Quintas dos figos? On the wall and a couple of spots on the pavement! From a blog from Shininginluz....

https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/theory-1-madeleine-simply-wandered-off/

Scroll down a bit on the below with all the details and references back to the files about that:

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic171-70.html

Thanks for the link Mo.  Snipped a bit from it below :



https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/02/waging-war-on-all-fronts.html

.......Such archival, as was the case, was determined since it was not possible for the Public Ministry to obtain sufficient evidence of the practise of crimes by the applicants.
Therefore, there is, a distinct difference, and not merely a semantic one, between the legally admissible grounds of the archiving dispatch. It doesn't therefore seem acceptable to consider the referred dispatch, which is based on the insufficiency of evidence, to be equated to proof of innocence. Thus we consider, the invocation of the violation of the principle of innocence should not be taken into account here, since that principle is not relevant for the decision of the question that we must decide.”

It can't be stressed enough that it was the McCanns who brought these specific points in their appeal to the Supreme Court, therefore the judges had to address them. The Supreme Court judges decision is totally correct in a legal perspective: the McCanns cannot claim they were declared innocent through the archiving dispatch.

It is quite extraordinary that the claimants do not like the application of the law if it does not suit them and have now embarked in what can be perceived as media pressure and an insulting campaign directed at the Supreme Court judges who have merely addressed the points of their appeal, raised by themselves.

Maybe this was their main intention. To bring those matters into the lawsuit in an attempt to prove to the world they had been cleared. Wrong law action, wrong section of the courts to do that. Perhaps it is also part of a devised strategy to show via the media how they are being treated unfairly by Portugal, to have some sort of grounds to go to the ECHR against the Portuguese state, who knows?

It seems obvious the McCanns are now waging a war on Gonçalo Amaral, on facts, on the Portuguese legislation, on the Portuguese Supreme Court judges, on Portugal itself.

Tags :JusticeMcCannOpinionSupreme Court

I hope you are right Andrew, i really do but probably not before they try suing the Supreme Court Judges and maybe Portugal as well. STOP, enough now McCanns, think of the twins and how this is affecting them. You wont win.

Andrew wrote:

Bampots wrote:Blood was found on a wall at Quintas dos figos? On the wall and a couple of spots on the pavement! From a blog from Shininginluz....

https://shininginluz.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/theory-1-madeleine-simply-wandered-off/

Scroll down a bit on the below with all the details and references back to the files about that:

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic171-70.html

So if I read it correctly ..........it was human blood.....they can't say who it belongs too ?

So, Mark Williams-Thomas theory then, where does that leave Kates many recitals on video of how the window was open and the curtains went whoosh! Where does that leave Kate's version of events, rather redundant it would seem and leaves you wondering about the implication. His theory was Madeleine left through patio door, then why was the shutter up and the window open? Madeleine certainly couldn't open it....... It's no wonder the McCanns are rather unhappy with him!

candyfloss wrote:So, Mark Williams-Thomas theory then, where does that leave Kates many recitals on video  of how  the window was open and the curtains went whoosh!  Where does that leave Kate's version of events, rather redundant it would seem and leaves you wondering about the implication. His theory was Madeleine left through patio door, then why was the shutter up and the window open?   Madeleine certainly couldn't open it.......  It's no wonder the McCanns are rather  unhappy with him!

Maybe she opened it as a "red herring"?

Isn't this basically the plot of The Missing? I mean, what did you really think that was for about? Despite the town being a Twin Peaks style hellhole full of corrupt, lazy, incompetent police, dubious local officials, drunks, gangsters and paedophile rings, the actual truth was incredibly mundane all along.

candyfloss wrote:So, Mark Williams-Thomas theory then, where does that leave Kates many recitals on video  of how  the window was open and the curtains went whoosh!  Where does that leave Kate's version of events, rather redundant it would seem and leaves you wondering about the implication. His theory was Madeleine left through patio door, then why was the shutter up and the window open?   Madeleine certainly couldn't open it.......  It's no wonder the McCanns are rather  unhappy with him!

Perhaps I'm getting soft in my old age but I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for MW-T. He (and Phil Schofield) looked really uncomfortable and under a lot of pressure to not say the "wrong" thing but this was helpfully explained by MW-T emphasising that he couldn't talk freely about the case due to legal reasons. That puts it out there about the litigious nature of the McCanns but also suggests to anyone that is still unaware that there may be more to the case than the MSM are telling them. Cue Google searches and discovery of a lot of stuff unhelpful to the McCanns like Eddie & Keela. This has to be a good thing

Secondly he introduced into the MSM, for the first time in years, an alternative to the abduction narrative (which probably explains the headlines talking about an "astonishing" "new" theory). Ok, I know the MSM have started talking about a disappearance rather than an abduction but this is the first time in a very long time they've actually suggested other theories. I think he deserves credit for that, even if his theory is nonsense.

Thirdly, thinking about it, he's really dropped the McCanns in the proverbial as far as the general public are concerned. Not withstanding the (very valid) point raised by CF above, if we accept the official line as genuine, MW-T has told everyone that Madeleine awoke the previous night when the twins were crying yet Kate & Gerry *still* went out and left all of them alone the following night. That just blows away all the nonsense about "just like being in the garden" and "we thought it was safe" and "we were checking regularly". If they really were checking regularly how come they didn't realise one of their kids was crying? (I don't necessarily believe the crying incident and am just trying to illustrate what I believe the thought process that those less familiar with the case will go through following MW-T's "revelation")

unreorganised wrote:

candyfloss wrote:So, Mark Williams-Thomas theory then, where does that leave Kates many recitals on video  of how  the window was open and the curtains went whoosh!  Where does that leave Kate's version of events, rather redundant it would seem and leaves you wondering about the implication. His theory was Madeleine left through patio door, then why was the shutter up and the window open?   Madeleine certainly couldn't open it.......  It's no wonder the McCanns are rather  unhappy with him!

Maybe she opened it as a "red herring"?

For a start, Kate's version is a crock of shite and pure fabrication anyway.

But why has M W-T himself wandered off the script/official narrative and why didn't he mention an 'abductor' yesterday? He always used too but there must be a reason he didn't yesterday?

Andrew wrote:

unreorganised wrote:

candyfloss wrote:So, Mark Williams-Thomas theory then, where does that leave Kates many recitals on video  of how  the window was open and the curtains went whoosh!  Where does that leave Kate's version of events, rather redundant it would seem and leaves you wondering about the implication. His theory was Madeleine left through patio door, then why was the shutter up and the window open?   Madeleine certainly couldn't open it.......  It's no wonder the McCanns are rather  unhappy with him!

Maybe she opened it as a "red herring"?

For a start, Kate's version is a crock of shite and pure fabrication anyway.

But why has M W-T himself wandered off the script/official narrative and why didn't he mention an 'abductor' yesterday? He always used too but there must be a reason he didn't yesterday?

He (and ITV) got hacked off at being injuncted?

@AndyB - good post and I agree with your line of thinking there.

@Unreorganised - yes, I believe it is incredibly mundane. An accident then brought back to 5a or an accident in 5a. And totally get your point about The Missing.

No, you're not going soft in your old age, AndyB - not about this anyway!

Perhaps MWT is even beginning to realise that supporting the McCanns was not the best decision he's ever made.