The Mystery of Ben Needham

Duncan Wood ‏@duncanwooditv 11m11 minutes ago
At 6 on @itvcalendar I speak exclusively to Eddie #Needham on #Kos after he returns to farmhouse where search for #BenNeedham is in Day 10

Andrew wrote:Duncan Wood ‏@duncanwooditv  11m11 minutes ago
At 6 on @itvcalendar I speak exclusively to Eddie #Needham on #Kos after he returns to farmhouse where search for #BenNeedham is in Day 10

I hope this is broadcast in all areas. Just looked up itvcalendar but my local itv news mentions zilch about this.
Hopefully we'll get more national news from the DI in Kos ?

Just my own thoughts, but the police are going at this with such force and intensity do they know, KNOW something - really, truly know?

Or is it possible that if nothing is found here this will be a termination of the search for Ben ? One of those "We've done all we can, but the file will remain open" scenarios ??

bluebell wrote:Just my own thoughts, but the police are going at this with such force and intensity do they know, KNOW  something - really, truly know?

Or is it possible that if nothing is found here this will be a termination of the search for Ben ?   One of those "We've done all we can, but the file will remain open" scenarios ??

I think this quite possible. Clearly they are working on intelligence received. If this fails to deliver, what else can they do?

Andrew wrote:Some snippets:

Eddie Needham, 68, is travelling to the Greek island to speak to British police who have demolished an extension to a farmhouse in their search for the little boy.

The former builder wants to look at the concrete foundations under the torn-down building to see if they’re the same ones he worked on a few weeks after Ben went missing.

The extension, ripped down in 25 minutes by a JCB today, is attached to a farmhouse that Eddie was renovating on the day Ben vanished, July 24, 1991.

He said while he is “nervous” about returning, he is desperate to help solve the 25-year mystery that has plagued his family.

Eddie, from Lincolnshire, told the Daily Mirror: “I feel apprehensive because this feels different from the search in 2012.

Shortly after Ben went missing, Eddie laid foundations under the site of the farmhouse extension that police have just pulled down.



..... My bold.

Be interesting to see if this article gets promoted on the official BN site, like the others.

Just catching up....

This is a big wow from me. That he presumably dug these foundations to put the extension floor in weeks later!?, how could a body have been placed in them without him knowing? And by a man who he himself has said went into a panic after hitting a water main on another job he worked on with him?

There is also mention in one of the ITV News Facebook videos (haven't seen it yet) that the digger was going up and down the lane I assume between the farmhouse and the site Dino was working. There is no mention of this in any of the old documentaries. Just that Christine stopped just short of the Dino building site looking for Ben. No mention of seeing or talking to any workers there or searching the site.

Right now I don't like where this is going. Hope I'm wrong.

A live update on this link now:

https://www.facebook.com/calendarnews/#

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

Andrew wrote:Some snippets:

Eddie Needham, 68, is travelling to the Greek island to speak to British police who have demolished an extension to a farmhouse in their search for the little boy.

The former builder wants to look at the concrete foundations under the torn-down building to see if they’re the same ones he worked on a few weeks after Ben went missing.

The extension, ripped down in 25 minutes by a JCB today, is attached to a farmhouse that Eddie was renovating on the day Ben vanished, July 24, 1991.

He said while he is “nervous” about returning, he is desperate to help solve the 25-year mystery that has plagued his family.

Eddie, from Lincolnshire, told the Daily Mirror: “I feel apprehensive because this feels different from the search in 2012.

Shortly after Ben went missing, Eddie laid foundations under the site of the farmhouse extension that police have just pulled down.



..... My bold.

Be interesting to see if this article gets promoted on the official BN site, like the others.

Just catching up....

This is a big wow from me. That he presumably dug these foundations to put the extension floor in weeks later!?, how could a body have been placed in them without him knowing? And by a man who he himself has said went into a panic after hitting a water main on another job he worked on with him?

There is also mention in one of the ITV News Facebook videos (haven't seen it yet) that the digger was going up and down the lane I assume between the farmhouse and the site Dino was working. There is no mention of this in any of the old documentaries. Just that Christine stopped just short of the Dino building site looking for Ben. No mention of seeing or talking to any workers there or searching the site.

Right now I don't like where this is going. Hope I'm wrong.

 

If strip foundations were dug, there would be an area in the centre that would remain untouched, so a body could be placed there quite easily.

I meant how could Dino (the named suspect) place a body in there weeks later if Eddie himself was doing the work, froggy? Surely he would notice. The other point is we were told the extension wasn't added for 12 months yet these foundations were put in a "few weeks" after Ben went missing. Why and who asked Eddie to do it? The owner by then moved to Australia.

Nothing is currently making sense to me.

No indeed, TTWO. So.... these foundations were being dug all those years ago, but  the first we heard about Dino working at the farmhouse was in mid September. Even then the Mirror said he was digging a road, not foundations. Extraordinary that nobody investigated them at the time, when the world was being told that BN had  been abducted

TheTruthWillOut wrote:I meant how could Dino (the named suspect) place a body in there weeks later if Eddie himself was doing the work, froggy? Surely he would notice. The other point is we were told the extension wasn't added for 12 months yet these foundations were put in a "few weeks" after Ben went missing. Why and who asked Eddie to do it? The owner by then moved to Australia.

Nothing is currently making sense to me.

I quite agree. Best we wait to see if anything is found.

Satsuma wrote:No indeed, TTWO. So.... these foundations were being dug  all those years ago, but  the first we heard about Dino working at the farmhouse was in mid September. Even then the Mirror said he was digging a road, not foundations. Extraordinary that nobody investigated them at the time, when the world was being told that BN had  been abducted

This is what is bothering me when you watch the various documentaries is that there's no talk of a digger on site or of anyone asking Dino/other workman and whether they helped search for Ben or were asked any questions. From Eddie himself in the Mirror article of 17th September:

Of the day Ben vanished, Ed said: “It was about mid morning. I went and asked him (Dino) if he would come and put a road in.

"When he came he flew into it too fast with the machine. For a big machine it felt fast. He came in at speed. He didn’t say anything. You can see for miles in that cab.

“I find it hard to think Ben would have gone near that machine because of the noise it made – but maybe I’m in denial.”

So 10-11am is mid morning to me yet Ben didn't arrive until 11:30/midday and didn't disappear until ~14:30. Ben had just gone outside the farmhouse chasing after Stephen and 2-3 minutes later is when they say they started looking for him. So I can't get my head around how a digger accident could happen and all traces disappeared in 2-3 minutes. I just can't see anything happening without all those at the farmhouse knowing about. One thing I've noticed as well is an almost complete lack of Danny in any of this story and wonder why that is?

froggy wrote:I quite agree. Best we wait to see if anything is found.

Yes, this is all we can do for now.

Eddie on the news on the link. Not watched it myself as yet.

https://www.facebook.com/calendarnews/

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

Andrew wrote:The former builder (Eddie) wants to look at the concrete foundations under the torn-down building to see if they’re the same ones he worked on a few weeks after Ben went missing.

This is a big wow from me. That he presumably dug these foundations to put the extension floor in weeks later!?

why would Dino have dumped BN's body in the foundations of the farmhouse, right under the noses of the family and police investigators, several weeks after he went missing? If there is a skeleton down there, Dino isn't responsible for sure

Satsuma wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

Andrew wrote:The former builder (Eddie) wants to look at the concrete foundations under the torn-down building to see if they’re the same ones he worked on a few weeks after Ben went missing.

This is a big wow from me. That he presumably dug these foundations to put the extension floor in weeks later!?

why would Dino have dumped BN's body in the foundations of the farmhouse, right under the noses of the family and police investigators, several weeks after he went missing? If there is a skeleton down there, Dino isn't responsible for sure

So first we have a missing child who then may have been abducted... and now we are looking in aged concrete foundations.....spooky eh.... now where else do we have this tale and can anyone say where you could find 2007 cast concrete???

Satsuma wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

Andrew wrote:The former builder (Eddie) wants to look at the concrete foundations under the torn-down building to see if they’re the same ones he worked on a few weeks after Ben went missing.

This is a big wow from me. That he presumably dug these foundations to put the extension floor in weeks later!?

why would Dino have dumped BN's body in the foundations of the farmhouse, right under the noses of the family and police investigators, several weeks after he went missing? If there is a skeleton down there, Dino isn't responsible for sure

To pin the blame on someone closer to home an obvious reason I guess.....

Not that I think he did.

Bampots wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

Andrew wrote:The former builder (Eddie) wants to look at the concrete foundations under the torn-down building to see if they’re the same ones he worked on a few weeks after Ben went missing.

This is a big wow from me. That he presumably dug these foundations to put the extension floor in weeks later!?

why would Dino have dumped BN's body in the foundations of the farmhouse, right under the noses of the family and police investigators, several weeks after he went missing? If there is a skeleton down there, Dino isn't responsible for sure

So first we have a missing child who then may have been abducted... and now we are looking in aged concrete foundations.....spooky eh.... now where else do we have this tale and can anyone say where you could find 2007 cast concrete???

Spot on as ever Bampots. I think we are on the road to nowhere.

costello wrote:

Bampots wrote:

Satsuma wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

Andrew wrote:The former builder (Eddie) wants to look at the concrete foundations under the torn-down building to see if they’re the same ones he worked on a few weeks after Ben went missing.

This is a big wow from me. That he presumably dug these foundations to put the extension floor in weeks later!?

why would Dino have dumped BN's body in the foundations of the farmhouse, right under the noses of the family and police investigators, several weeks after he went missing? If there is a skeleton down there, Dino isn't responsible for sure

So first we have a missing child who then may have been abducted... and now we are looking in aged concrete foundations.....spooky eh.... now where else do we have this tale and can anyone say where you could find 2007 cast concrete???

Spot on as ever Bampots. I think we are on the road to nowhere.

I will say this: Whether SYP find Ben or not, if they come out at the end of this with no solid evidence and a 'we believe Dino did so and so' then I will lose virtually all faith in the Maddie case/OG TBH.

In fact the above scenario could be seen as a test case to see if such an outcome is swallowed by the public. Or is that being too cynical?

You ain't cynical TTWO....you wouldn't still be posting here after all this time... .keep on truckin man!

I see where your coming from, ttwo.

Personally I think they will find the remains of Ben by the end of the week. Whether we get the truth of what happened then probably not.

I think they want to get this case closed off before the emphasis shifts onto a certain other higher profile case.

Just my thoughts...

Thanks Bampots and Andrew.

I'm hoping that SYP are playing a blinder here like I've proposed and hoped that OG have been doing all along against the opinions over the way that it is, and always was, a sham.

The time, money and effort they have put into this latest dig indicates they will come to a conclusion of some sort so I'm really interested in what they will say.

Before that though they are going to start digging at a second site and I'm really interested in the location of it.

My rather dry sense of humour is suggesting that they'll find a body - and it'll be Madeleine McCann's.
Sorry.
What are the chances?

Bampots wrote:You ain't cynical TTWO....you wouldn't still be posting here after all this time... .keep on truckin man!

Well said Bampots.

@ TTWO  'social media' is the serious fly in the ointment in both of these cases, in my opinion. I do believe we are being 'tested' with some strange conclusions in order to put both cases to rest, but I can't see it working somehow. Just my thoughts as ever.

One point maybe to explain all Eddie's discrepancies in the doc's and interviews over time he has said he is an alcoholic. He could say different things depending on if he was totally sober or not, and truly believe them at the time. This is not meant as a personal criticism, I'm just looking from every side.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ben-needhams-grandad-reveals-fears-8986842

Mirror article that came out last night. My snippets from it:

Eddie Needham has returned to Kos and has inspected the foundation, which he says are not the same ones he laid 25 years ago

“If there is anything to find, they’d have found it by now.”

the foundations of a building and said they were not the same ones he put in weeks after Ben vanished.

They had apparently been replaced by another builder, he said.

“But I really don’t think they will find anything despite how hard they’re working.”

"The hardest thing was stepping foot on that island knowing what I was there for. It was the worst I’d ever felt returning.”




So it took 25 years to work out that the foundations of the farmhouse that were laid a 'few weeks' after Ben disappeared were not the ones he put down and another builder did. How long did he stay there after Ben vanished? Was it 3 months?

Seems quite confident that they won't find anything.

Don't want to come across as making allegations here towards Eddie. But something is not adding up with him. IMO.