The "number 1 suspect" Christian B

Antonia wrote:I can't read the Telegraph article linked as I would have to sign up for a free trial to read this amazing disclosure about the pyjamas.  

How can a paper like the Telegraph state that you can identify tiny fragments after 15 years to a particular pair of pyjamas when God knows what has gone on in that van over those years!

You can generally read Telegraph articles by pressing ESC whilst refreshing (pressing F5). Eventually you will defeat their paywall.

Freedom wrote:
Brueckner was living in the camper van several miles away from the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz when Madeleine went missing.

Strange behaviour when he apparently had a choice of several conventional dwellings.

Bit short of the 'readies' for the rent maybe, so cheaper to live in the van.

It's all lies as ever.

As the editorial network Germany (RND) found out on Thursday, this information is not true. "The whole story with the fiber traces is total nonsense," said Hans Christian Wolters from the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office to the RND. The prosecutor added that the alleged new findings were fictitious.

https://www-rnd-de.translate.goog/panorama/staatsanwalt-zum-fall-maddie-keine-faserspuren-in-bus-von-christian-b-gefunden-QM6JG6NZRZGU3AEPGNO2HT5RZA.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

So if there is no forensic evidence (what a surprise) what makes Mr Wolters so sure that Christian B is guilty?

Is it a Ben Needham finish they want to foist on the world...'we are sure he did it but lack the final evidence.' sort of thing?

I had to refresh my memory about Ben Needham.

This link mentions him - in conjunction with the McCann case - and the theory of the digger driver. I think that an accident on the building site is the most likely answer.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/people/madeleine-mccann-anniversary-puts-spotlight-on-missing-south-yorkshire-children-ben-needham-and-andrew-gosden-3678483

Or is that what they wish you to believe as there is no proof that is what happened other than the toy!?

We have a topic on the Needham case. It's in two parts.

1) https://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t1567-the-mystery-of-ben-needham?highlight=ben+needham

2) https://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t1568-the-mystery-of-ben-needham?highlight=ben+needham

Too much to go through unless you have nothing else to do but it produced some interesting comments. This is no more a straightforward stranger abduction case than the McCann one.

Bampots wrote:Is it a Ben Needham finish they want to foist on the world...'we are sure he did it but lack the final evidence.' sort of thing?

Think it will be difficult to make stick while Christian B remains alive and without a court case, which might be a can of worms too far for this case. If he should accidentally cut his own head off while shaving then all bets are off.

I think I'm alone on here but I do think B has questions to answer - I think he's likely Dave Edgar's "pimple man" seen by several witnesses.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/99462/The-scar-faced-prowler-seen-at-Madeleine-flat

The prowler – believed to be in his late 20s or early 30s – was described by one witness as being “very ugly, with pitted skin and a large nose”.

The man – who was spotted with a white van – vanished after Madeleine disappeared and has never been traced.

My bold.

Of course this could have been followed up at the time if all and sundry hadn't busied themselves with throwing Murat under the bus, for whatever reason.

"It will be difficult to make stick while Christian B remains alive and without a court case, which might be a can of worms too far for this case. If he should accidentally cut his own head off while shaving then all bets are off".


The point is it won't stick...it will be a suggestion that this is what happened in whatever they choose that to be.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10785769/Madeleine-McCann-didnt-clothes-fibres-prosecutor-says.html


See they are now denying the pajama fibres but say they have other evidence.

If Christian B was ever brought to trial, surely he would get off on the grounds that due to the publicity and being named so often and details of his nasty background published, a fair trial would not be possible?

Agreed Antonia - any such revelations about a person suspected of a crime would be highly prejudicial. I'm thinking particularly of Christopher Jefferies in recent years though I hasten to add he had a blameless past, unlike Christian B.

https://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t414-the-lost-honour-of-christopher-jefferies-an-innocent-suspect-in-the-jo-yeates-murder?highlight=christopher

Right from the start, Mr Wolters has been making silly claims without providing a shred of evidence.

In reality you wouldn't expect  police/prosecutor to release evidence at all in an ongoing case.
He really shouldn't be giving interviews or statements unless he is trying to gain information from the public.
As it is, with the help of the media he has managed to paint a picture of guilt based purely on Brueckner's past behaviour.

Thinking about it, has there ever been another high profile case where the chief prosecutor has announced that a person is guilty before they have even been interviewed, let alone tried for the crime?

I suppose we should expect it as everything about this case has from Day One been unlike any other!

Bampots wrote:Is it a Ben Needham finish they want to foist on the world...'we are sure he did it but lack the final evidence.' sort of thing?

Kinda of I think. they'll not charge CB through lack of evidence but they won't be looking for any one else .

Does anyone know if it would be possible for CB to be charged with the crime and tried in Germany for it? I really can't see the Portuguese police extraditing him as they believe the charge is complete nonsense.

froggy wrote:In reality you wouldn't expect  police/prosecutor to release evidence at all in an ongoing case.
He really shouldn't be giving interviews or statements unless he is trying to gain information from the public.
As it is, with the help of the media he has managed to paint a picture of guilt based purely on Brueckner's past behaviour.

It's quite bizarre and probably unprecedented. I suspect that there is some other game being played.

The Irish Times (equivalent to the UK Times) today has an article headed 'Madeleine suspect likely to be charged in Germany.' In the middle of the article is a picture of Madeleine with a caption 'Madeleine McCann went missing 15 years ago from a hotel room in the Algarve.

So the 'paper of record' as it is known in Ireland repeats the mistake made by many that it was a hotel room - rather than a ground floor apartment with the front door unlocked (to (allegedly) facilitate checking on Madeleine).

The article concludes by summarising the case as the suspect having no alibi (this is not clear) and a bad record (true). The full name of the suspect is used frequently in the article.

Story written by an Irish journalist I have heard of based in Berlin.

Can't give a link as have hard copy only. It's page 14 in World News.

Yes, had the "disappearance" really been from a hotel room, it would be a totally different scenario. Most likely there would have been CCTV plus normal comings and goings which make it unlikely that a child could be abducted from there.

From memory, I think it was the patio doors that were left unlocked. I'm not sure about the front door - most doors can only be opened with a key when shut.

Does the article actually say that CB could be charged in Germany? I don't know how that is possible.

I still can't get past the SF interview with Wolters. I mean....

"we think we've found some new facts, some new evidence. Not forensics evidence, but evidence."

"we're sure he is the murderer of Madeleine McCann"

"We're sure he, er,  killed Madeleine McCann"

SF: "You are not sure he is the one that got into the Ocean Club and kidnap her"?

Wolters: "To the details I don't want to tell you anything at the moment"

As much as all the above is bats*it crazy, how is it legal to even state publicly as fact CB (or anyone) killed Madeleine? Not to mention he puckers up like a drum when asked about how she was taken from OC.

Here is the article.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-case-german-charges-loom-as-new-evidence-found-1.4871507

Freedom wrote:Thinking about it, has there ever been another high profile case where the chief prosecutor has announced that a person is guilty before they have even been interviewed, let alone tried for the crime?

I suppose we should expect it as everything about this case has from Day One been unlike any other!  

I know what you mean TheTruthWillOut! That's what I said yesterday about Christian B being named as guilty. Imagine if it happened in the U K. It's bad enough when the media posts accusations about possible suspects but imagine if the chief prosecutor did?

Freedom wrote:Here is the article.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-case-german-charges-loom-as-new-evidence-found-1.4871507

Whole article reads weird. They're supposedly about to put to bed one of the most enduring missing person cases of all time - are they really going to chuck in a couple of cases of indecent exposure?

Also this photo was a new one on me.

Freedom wrote:

Freedom wrote:Thinking about it, has there ever been another high profile case where the chief prosecutor has announced that a person is guilty before they have even been interviewed, let alone tried for the crime?

I suppose we should expect it as everything about this case has from Day One been unlike any other!  

I know what you mean TheTruthWillOut! That's what I said yesterday about Christian B being named as guilty. Imagine if it happened in the U K. It's bad enough when the media posts accusations about possible suspects but imagine if the chief prosecutor did?

Agreed, Freedom.

I've said it before and will say it again: There has to be more going on in the background that would explain these repeated peculiarities that simply defy logic and laws across multiple countries. I'm clinging to the fact the case hasn't been allowed to go fully cold unlike so many historic cases.